is Şengün good or rockets are bad that we want rookies seems good?

so simple yet, BRILLIANT!

 

We aren't the T-Puppies and we aren't the Pelicans. Aside from geography, our history as a team supports the idea that we have done things differently, and better, as a franchise. Just thought that might be worth pointing out.

 

yep, we arent the puppies, this is exactly why it doesnt behove us to forfeit games to get better players... its a p***y mentality... you need to fight and study, be smart and you need to play hard to win every game...

 

The head/neck/body ratio is the giraffe in the room nobody wants to talk about

 

Again, the chances are slim but much better than trying to win without a high lotto pick right?

What's the alternative here? It's not like the Rox are choosing between high draft picks and some other option right? It's either you suck and get a high lotto pick or you suck less (but still suck) and get a mediocre draft pick.

 

Raptors won literally 1 ring off of that and hasnt done anything since then. It's an outlier more than anything else. Same with Celtics despite their vaunted culture.

Of course FO is important, but high lotto picks are important too. It's like FOs are the chefs and high lotto picks are the ingredients. Yeah if the chef is great he can make a delicious meal out of hotdogs and noodles...but hot dogs and noodles aint gonna win cooking contests.

 

We have a high lotto pick, though. We also have a lot of other talent and assets.

And I dunno, are the odds that much better? Has there been any actual, historical analysis of this? Genuinely curious but too lazy to research myself.

You say what is the alternative? What’s the primary strategy here? We can’t purposefully lose, that’s against rules. Letting Wall sit indefinitely is as close to tanking as the league will allow. But the “alternative” is to play rotations that have a chance at winning. You can develop a player’s habits better when you’re pairing them with veterans that know what they’re doing. Otherwise they just replicate bad habits perpetually.

On top of that, look at all the teams that lost for consecutive years, drafted high, and those players either busted or bounced at first opportunity?

We’ve got assets. We shouldn’t purposefully avoid opportunities to improve simply for the chance to get a high draft pick and somewhat roll the dice with another prospect. Maybe a trade doesn’t materialize, in that case, no reason to expend assets. But I KNOW a lot of people here have no interest in getting more talented this year because they think the ONLY option is to stack high draft picks multiple years. To what end? Is it just two years? Three years? By that time, the first rookie may be preparing to bounce for a bigger market (if he materializes).

so at the end of the day, I’d rather see us fight as underdogs than roll the dice for a *chance* to get some young talent in the future that may or may not turn out to be good enough to move the needle.

Side note: heyyy the Astros finally got the 3rd out…ughh

 

Imagine if pick no 2 made pass like this?

 

Sengun is the next Duncan.

 

Be careful what you wish for.

 

We just need at least one of our 1st rounders to pan out. Green, Sengun, JC, Garuba....makes no difference to me who develops into a franchise player as long as one of them (preferably all four) will.

 

100% agree, but i would have also loved it if we could get over the idea of the franchise player...why not have multiple core players who are very good

 

Well my definition of a franchise player is the one player on your team that can carry you and/or deliver when you need it the most. Your definition might differ and that's fine. Having a team full of very good players haven't yielded a championship since the Detroit Pistons team with Billups, Rip, and the Wallace boys. In the NBA you NEED a franchise player to win it all. The idea of a franchise player is not out of style or just a fad--it's reality.

 

Why do you think we got that high lotto pick though? Isnt that by tanking? So its like you are saying we're in this great situation now but you are denying how we got here. I dunno if the odds are better but having a high lotto is better than having a 15th pick for all situations.

Did KD and Harden develop bad habits? Cuz they lost multiple times before they busted out and reached WCF one season. What about the Suns? They were picking in the lotto before they reached the Finals suddenly. The reality is habits have more to do with player personality and training rather than the group result.

Devin Booker for example played on a Suns team that was so bad they got the no 1 pick. But he is the same guy who would do anything to win, even took a charge with a broken nose cuz he was that desperate for the W. Melo oth came into the league as a champion and got drafted by the Nuggets with mentors like Billups and a decent coach in George Karl. But Melo developed so many bad habits became a stat w****, fell in love with mid range Js, never got in fantastic shape, didnt expand his game etc. Saying winning is what makes players develop good habits thats just not true, training, formation and values are what does that not the season record.

What we have are a bunch of 19 and 20 yrs olds, in the history of the NBA no team this young did anything significant. At this point the Rox making the playoffs or trying to win wont be rooting for an under dog, its a colossal waste of time. 3 yrs is honestly short for a rebuild, like I said in the history of the NBA a bunch of 19 and 20 yrs never did anything significant. We gotta wait for them to grow up first so may as well tank.