[Irony Department] Famous ClutchBBS thread revisited

I managed not to post in the thread. I have clean hands!

I did get really pissed when we won a couple of games we should have lost late in the season, and expressed myself in the rabid disagreements about that at the time. Any of the "win now, no matter what draft position it costs us, even if we're going nowhere" folks still think those couple of wins were worth not getting Roy? Come on... time to own up to having blinders on.

 

I never want the Rockets to play to lose. Ever.

 

I respect you. You stood up.

(you were wrong, IMO, but still... )

 

Tanking is for suckas. Just ask the Celtics.

 

i went to UT and watched gibson play on many occasions...the reason he was projected as a lottery pick his freshman year was due more to PJ's academic ineligibility and lamarcus's hip injury. he sucked. i mean ya, he's got great form on his shot, but his confidence really fluctuated and he has absolutely no penetration skills. he will never be more than a damon jones type player.

 

"Give up the trade kicker to get James to take the bulk at PG, and that's an athletic, deep team at backcourt that would have taken us to at least the Western Conference Finals. Opportunity squandered."

Why does James come up in almost every thread like his some badass PG. He is not a good PG for a winning team. He got benched on a lottery bound team. Now he is just an overpaid scrub that has a trade kicker.

 

I dont know what drafts you were lookin at but the Rockets didnt pass on Mo Williams, Josh Howard, Leandro Barbosa, Boris Diaw, Kevin Martin, or Nate Robinson.... and even if nate robinson was available at the Rockets pick, i still wouldnt want him over Luther Head who we took three picks later.

 

LOL at the damon jones comment, because gibson's ALREADY better than him. they trust gibson with more 3s than damon, AND gibson hit those ridiculous fadeaways and drew ft shots. and he penetrated the pistons defense better than any rocket outside of tmac penetrated the jazz defense.

 

hah nate robinson kinda isnt that great anyways..

 

Unbelievable that there are some still so unknowing...

1) James plays with more passion than any current Rocket and he'd be the only Rocket with a championship ring. They have NO pitbulls.

2) James plays with a chip on his shoulder and ice water in his veins. Something Alston has never demonstrated over his career.

3) James was part of a guard package that included the likes of Sura, Jon Barry and David Wesley. This group in the playoffs gave the Mavs all the wanted and were a BS outbounds call favoring Finley from going to the 2nd round.

4) The "Trade Kicker" you're bent out of shape over would NOT have kicked in unless the Rockets traded James AFTER his 3rd season (of 4) on that contract. Let's try this more slowly...AFTER his 3rd season. And the freakin' cost of the TK had they even used it would have been a whopping $950k.

And in case you still can't comprehend the value....they pursued him even after this fiasco.

I can't prove it...it's only an opinion...but I strongly believe James wouldn't have folded like a cheap tent (Head, Battier, Alston) vs Utah. The TWolves were 1-3 vs the Jazz but James was 5-10 from the arc and 11-11 from the line.

One thing I'm REALLY confident of. Had James been a Rocket, they wouldn't been in the NBA record books for a game with only 4 players scoring.

 

I wish they would draft players instead of "fit". I thought passing on Simien when that was a huge need for us was a mistake. I think had he been drafted we wouldn't be looking for a young pf, never understood drafting head. I also thought that not getting James was a mistake on our part and his. He went to a team that when healthy the same year won 30 games in Minny, so how many did he think he was worth? Gater, i know you disagree with me, but instead of Swift, i thought SAR was perfit for the team as a 3rd guy. It seems they wanted a underacheiving foul prone Swift instead. With all the panic on the board, the Rox are still 1 player away from elite status. To top it off, it doesn't even have to be an elite player. I know everyone see the Lebron show, but in the west, he wouldn't have gotten a injury depleted wizrds team in the 1st rd and a Nj teams in the 2nd. I'm willing to bet, in the west, cleveland is a 6 or 7 seed.

 

I wish they would draft players instead of "fit". I thought passing on Simien when that was a huge need for us was a mistake. I think had he been drafted we wouldn't be looking for a young pf, never understood drafting head. I also thought that not getting James was a mistake on our part and his. He went to a team that when healthy the same year won 30 games in Minny, so how many did he think he was worth? Gater, i know you disagree with me, but instead of Swift, i thought SAR was perfit for the team as a 3rd guy. It seems they wanted a underacheiving foul prone Swift instead. With all the panic on the board, the Rox are still 1 player away from elite status. To top it off, it doesn't even have to be an elite player. I know everyone see the Lebron show, but in the west, he wouldn't have gotten a injury depleted wizrds team in the 1st rd and a Nj teams in the 2nd. I'm willing to bet, in the west, cleveland is a 6 or 7 seed.

 

i remember that one game, a player *cough* juawn howard *cough* decided to step up and win a game, which cost us brandon roy. one game, just one game, we could have been the one that picked roy. oh well, the past is the past.

 

yeah i dont get it either. I know that the rockets wanted someone with size that can shoot but still you had to know that novak wasnt going to be a productive player his first year, plus size and shooting dont mean much if youre unable to do other things on the court at least halfway decent

 

I'm not going to argue with a lot of your points b/c they are correct. You neglect to point out that he also plays iso ball that causes your teamates to be lethargic on offense. I really don't think MJ fits into the type of offense that Adelman will run.

I could really care less about the trade kicker if he was worth it, but it's not our problem.

Funny how I would love to have any of those players you listed in #3 if they were younger or healthy.

 

You're somewhat correct. James uncontrolled will resort to 1on1 BBball. Agreed.

However, one thing James does much better than Alston and Sura and noticabely better than Steve Francis. When he's at the 2 guard (or weakside if TMac has the ball), he runs off of baseline screens and backpicks very well. He needs little to no dribble to get off a decent shot. This is not obvious to most but I've been a fan of James since his Celtics days and I've seen it.

No argument...younger versions Sura, James, Jon Barry and Wesley woukd be great on the current Rox! Those are 4 very tough-minded players.

 

How did the Rockets pass on Martin in 2004? The only pick the Rockets had in 2004 was the 56th pick which the Rockets used on Luis Flores, who was then traded for the rights to VSpan. In 2003, the Rockets had the 44th pick used to select Malick Badiane. In 2002, the Rockets selcted Yao Ming first overall, Boki Nachbar with the 15th selection and Tito Maddox 38th. Either Boozer or Prince would've been nice to have instead of Nachbar but the experts back then thought Boki would turn into the the next Peja Stojakovic and the Rockets desperately needed shooters. In 2001, the Rockets selected Richard Jefferson, Jason Collins, and Brandon Armstrong in the first round then traded all three picks for Eddie Griffin. Hindsight would say it was a terrible trade but at the time many fans were gushing over Griffin's potential and shot blocking abilities.