Politicized intelligence data, failed intelligence, and relying on fabricated intelligence. Are we talking Clinton or Bush? Looks like a hatchet job from a FOX News w****, I mean correspondent. He even blames Clinton for 9/11 saying that it was the Sudanese cruise missile attack that "ignited the fires burning inside radical Islam's criminal core." Give me a freaking break. Bin Laden himself has said it was the existence of US troops in Saudi Arabia. I guess when you can't find the WMD that was used for justifying the war let's just throw stuff at the wall and try to get anything to stick.
I think that he was referring to all the anti-war people out there who claim that liberating Iraq and the whole Operation Iraqi Freedom was an unjust war...
Hey heath, go dig up links between our good buddies in Saudi Arabia and Al queda, although that rabbit hole goes pretty deep so I'm not sure if you want to go there. Righteous is a word that is most often used by people who aren't.
Yeah I can't hang with a lawyer and a propaganda artist. You both combined have posted more threads on supporting this war than any 20 other people combined. That takes real integrity.
huh? why are you attacking me AGAIN, Timing? what's the point of it? i simply pointed out that franchise blade's approach of meeting data objectively and researching it after that is one of integrity. i posted more threads on supporting this war?? Timing, I was gone for the two months the war went on. I think you have me confused for the OTHER MadMax. get over your little personal vendettas, Timing. move on.
Hmmm. Interesting. Special forces Litigation Support Specialist MadMax Para-subpoenas over Northern Iraq. "Hussein's government is guilty of several copyright infringements. Cadit quaestioooooooo!" he said shortly before this photo was taken.
Deny, deny, deny? You didn't post new threads on a near daily basis in the weeks leading up to war? That must have been the bizarro MadMax. Attacking you AGAIN? huh? Get over yourself.
Timing...I am not denying that I posted threads and posts here regarding the war. "Hello, Kettle...this is the Pot calling!" I see you in every one of these freaking threads...so what is your point? i tried more than once to have civil, decent arguments with you here. you've proven time and time again you're not interested in that. if you can't go to the personal attack card, you're not interested. i didn't attack you at all in this thread....in fact, the only message i posted in this thread was to franchise blade. i haven't even commented on the evidence johnheath presented here!!! look into civility, Timing...and stop picking fights with those who aren't fighting you. stop calling out my integrity...i never called out yours.
What timing said does make some sense on the direction the article takes, but the thing that makes some of the things he says credible is the fact that he met with the administration. That's firsthand evidence which is better than the mystery scientist and chemicals the govt found and wouldn't say what tests they were running, what chemicals they found, or allow anyone to interview the scientist. Blaming Clinton for 9/11 is ludicrous. And Timing is right that it wasn't the strike in the Sudan that caused 9/11. Terrorists have had other more pressing gripes for some time, and Bin Laden himself has listed his gripes against the U.S. and the Sudanese strike wasn't on the list. But what is clear is that Clinton didn't do as much as he should have to stop terrorism. W. Bush didn't do enough prior to 9/11 either and may be going at it wrongly now, depending on what your opinion is, and what the future has in store for us. Reagan actually sold arms to Iran(a terrorist sponsoring state), and most administrations haven't done enough. The money in the defense department is being spent in the wrong places. We have the best weapons systems, best army, best planes, more nukes than we know what to do with. We don't need to keep investing money in those places. The majority of our money should be spent on intel gathering, paying off informants with ties to terrorist organizations and tracking these guys down. Hell, if the money toward defense was actually going in this direction I would be in favor of defense spending increases. I know that spending money on those kinds of things doesn't provide lucrative contracts to big businesses who work for the Defense department, so they may be a harder sell, but it's by far a wiser investment.
Originally posted by MadMax Timing...I am not denying that I posted threads and posts here regarding the war. "Hello, Kettle...this is the Pot calling!" I see you in every one of these freaking threads...so what is your point? i posted more threads on supporting this war?? Timing, I was gone for the two months the war went on. I think you have me confused for the OTHER MadMax. Can I treat Mr Max as a hostile witness your honor? Do any of these titles sound familiar? You sure got a lot done before you missed the war. I'm awaiting your update on the WMD laden ships and the Iraqi drones targetting US cities. US to Hold Iraqi Oil Fields in Trust for Iraqi People US May Try to Find Haven For Saddam 21 Nations Allow US War Access The Evidence Against Iraq 8 European Leaders Call for Unity with US Over Iraq Iraqi Spies? McCain Accuses France of Being Interested in Oil Contracts Iraq Grants Anti-War Human Shields Entry Visas New Iraqi Link to Al Qaeda? America's 48 Hours To Kill Saddam Smoking Gun? Iraqi Ships at Sea Hans Blix Interview Iraqi Drones May Target US Cities Danish Pizzeria Bans German, French House of Commons Backs Blair Kurds told, "We will gas you when US bombs fall" Hillary Clinton "Fully Supports" Bush's Iraq Policy British Support for War In Iraq Israeli Radio Says Bush Set to Announce Capture of Osama Bin Laden Bush Set to Make the Call Iraq Giving Own Soldiers Western Uniforms Antiwar Protesters Trash 9/11 Memorial Britain Furious at "Extraordinary" French Statement Thousands of Russians Volunteer to Defend Iraq Saddam ready to kill Iraqis See Men Shredded, Then Say You Don't Back War Blair's Speech Today If Saddam uses chemical weapons... Senior Officials Think Saddam May Not Have Survived "Don't Go Back to UN, Mr. President" Those Against Al Qaeda Message Aids Iraq i tried more than once to have civil, decent arguments with you here. you've proven time and time again you're not interested in that. if you can't go to the personal attack card, you're not interested. i didn't attack you at all in this thread....in fact, the only message i posted in this thread was to franchise blade. i haven't even commented on the evidence johnheath presented here!!! look into civility, Timing...and stop picking fights with those who aren't fighting you. stop calling out my integrity...i never called out yours. It occurs to me that you really believe your tone validates the substance of your message. This simply makes your opinions more dangerous than the johnheath's of the world. You took the opportunity to declare the integrity of a certain anti-war poster who didn't immediately disagree with yet another indesputably factual editorial from johnheath. Sounds pretty condescending from someone who so vehemently supports this administration and this war despite admissions that both fabricated and actual evidence was intentionally "emphasized" and misrepresented to mislead the US Congress and the American people. And really I don't know where you get the scoffing personal attack stuff. You must have a bad memory with regard to what's been said here.
Or he realized without electricity he would have to tell them all personally he was a lawyer. Thanks for another DumbA$$ thread Johnny.
As opposed to your posts? You are basically The Nation's Clutch City BBS correspondent when it comes to substance and tone.
<b>timing</b>: I believe that virtuallly all of those threads are, as MadMax indicated, pre-war. Why are you being such a jerk about this?
Who knows? I suspect they will find some realtively meaningless vials of some chemical or germ or another that fail to show that Iraq was a threat to the US. They'll probably find some contacts between Al Qaeda and Iraq. Since we've were broadcasting our intention to invade Iraq for many years, you'd have to think they would eventually talk. Certainly you would expect Bin Laden to contact IraQ. Think for instance of all the unsavory characters the US has contact with. Given their history we could find some outright planted evidence if they have to. I still think you get back to oil and Israel. Unless you buy the argument that we love the Iraqis so much we were obsessed with liberating them. This I think should be hard to entertain with a straight face and only believable to those with a child like faith in the goodness of the United States. I still find Heath's argument to be very Bush like. "We have secret info that backs us up, believe us". Heath says there is better info than Bush and gang presented, believe him. (Does t imply that the Bush Admin is dumb and amateurish?)
timing..you're a joke. you're in on all these threads..and you know that. what's the indictment for posting threads??? what's the penalty for that timing? all i did was say that franchise blade's approach was admirable..that it showed integrity. i would like to think i take the same approach. i know i don't always. again...civility, timing...civility...i find myself disagreeing with lots of people here...i don't find myself in pissing matches with others like i seem to with you. it's clear you're incapable of civil debate without ascribing demeaning qualities to the person you disagree with. i have no interest in conversation with someone like you...notice how i never directed any conversation to you in this thread before you lumped me in and threw my integrity to issue. great spin, timing. great spin.
Lalalalala.. just sit back and watch the dominoes fall baby. Al Qaeda-tied terrorist nabbed in Iraq CNN.COM From David Ensor CNN Washington Bureau Tuesday, April 29, 2003 Posted: 4:35 PM EDT (2035 GMT) WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Senior Bush administration officials Tuesday said a member of an al Qaeda-affiliated terror group operating in Iraq has been captured by U.S. forces. Sources said the individual is a member of a group operating in western Baghdad under the leadership of Abu Musab al Zarqawi, a Jordanian believed by the United States to have been the mastermind behind the assassination of American diplomat Lawrence Foley in Amman last October. Zarqawi was said to have received medical treatment in Baghdad in May and June of 2002 after being wounded in Afghanistan during the war. His leg was amputated, U.S. officials say, by a surgeon in Iraq. Before the war, Secretary of State Colin Powell pointed to Zarqawi's al Qaeda-affiliated group that he said was operating inside Baghdad, as evidence of ties between al Qaeda and Iraq. Powell told the U.N. Security Council in early February that after al Qaeda and the Taliban were ousted from Afghanistan, Zarqawi established a camp in northeastern Iraq to train terrorists in using explosives and poisons. During Zarqawi's stay in Baghdad, nearly two dozen of his associates set up a base of operations in the capital to move people, money and supplies throughout the country, said Powell. The United States, using another international intelligence service as an intermediary, twice gave the Iraqi government information it could have used to apprehend Zarqawi and break the Baghdad cell, but "Zarqawi still remains at large to come and go," Powell said. "From his terrorist network in Iraq, Zarqawi can direct his network in the Middle East and beyond." Mohamed Aldouri, Iraqi ambassador to the United Nations before the war, denied Powell's charges, saying Iraqi officials never met with Zarqawi. Administration officials say they do not know yet whether the newly captured individual -- as yet not named by U.S. officials -- had any connections with the government of Iraq.
