Sure basso, Richard Clarke speaks extensively about it in Against All Enemies. I'd dig out the page references if I had it with me. Now, you have never read this book, but you of course are an expert on it, and on Mr. Clarke. So again, I guess your own, and Faos' and Newsmax, and Weekly Standard's intelligence gathering services have vetted this offer and come to a different conclusion than did the NSC staff, the CIA, etc, and everybody else who was contemporaneously involved. Now go back to blindly citing Stephen Hayes and Richard Miniter. These are two men who have been fighting the war on terror on the frontline battlefields of various right wing "think" tanks; nobody is as situated as well as they are.
Richard Clarke's book is your evidence? That's laughable. Now I know you guys are grasping at straws.
Yes, the first hand account of the nation's top counter terror official who was contemporaneously involved in the events that you cite is my evidence. What's yours? (Let me guess, an inane two line response is coming, I can feel it.)
In order for it to be evidence, you would have to provide a link to the audio or transcript. As it is, you gave us your heresay regarding a tape broadcast by Sean Hannity. That is not evidence.
Andy, If you are going to contribute to this thread, please read all the posts first. Look above for this: http://www.newsmax.com/audio/BILLVH.mp3 Clinton: "'Mr. bin Laden used to live in Sudan. He was expelled from Saudi Arabia in 1991, then he went to Sudan. And we'd been hearing that the Sudanese wanted America to start meeting with them again. "'They released him. At the time, 1996, he had committed no crime against America, so I did not bring him here, because we had no basis on which to hold him, though we knew he wanted to commit crimes against America. "'So I pleaded with the Saudis to take take him, 'cause they could have. But they thought it was a hot potato.'" Even when I provide proof you guys still continue to claim it doesn't exist.
sam, do you place greater credence on clarke's book, his testimony before the 9/11 commission, or various other public utterances, both while in and out of office, before he knew he'd be tesifying? there are substantial contradictions, so i'd love to know which of clarke's versions of events is the official, accepted truth by MoveOn.horde.
Moveon. was started by caniving conservatives to make liberals look angry and aggressive and well um, liberal. Maybe maybe no.
Faos, why are you derailing your own thread with all this Clinton falderall? Current reality too much to deal with?
Basso there aren't really contradictions, Clarke himself has explained the Fox News pre-interview stuff, and none of that had to do with the alleged handover of OBL. But there is other evidence. Joe Connasen was one that I remembered. Al Franken's latest book which is extremely well researched also sheds light on the myth. Now if the account of the nations top terrorism official doesn't hold weight then that's up to you and your own sense of fairness reality etc. The audio tape certainly is evidence, but nowhere does it say that Clinton had a credible offer of OBL. It says there was talk of an offer. The evidence that's been presented already shows that the offer wasn't credible. To me that's what it all comes down to.
No, there aren't. Clarke has done a rather devestating job of embarrassing his critics into silence to the tune of standing ovations. If you want to talk contradictions, I suggest you vet Ms. Rice's testimony, in which she denied that a report entiled "Bin Laden looking to attack inside US" or something to that effect, didn't carry any warning that Bin Laden was trying to attack inside the US. Finally, I will note once again that you consider yourself to be an expert on a book that you have never read, written by a man to whom your only exposure is the typical Bush administration smear campaign. Your initial response to him was to launch into an absurd conspiracy theory: Basso, has your in-depth investigation into the Clarke-Viacom conspiracy yielded any fruit? I know that they just had a shakeup in managment over there...have you probed this for any ties to the Clarke conspiracy? Was Richard Clarke promised a job co-hosting TRL with Carson Daly? Or did he get put into the next Road Rules/Real World Challenge? Since then, of course, many of his charges have been corroborated to an extent by any number of accounts, before and after: Woodward, Zinni, Beers, Pollack, etc, the list goes on and on. But it doesn't matter, I guess, the Weekly Standard knows best.
Taped evidence, and what does this evidence say about: 1. who made the offer? 2. What offer was made? and 3. whether the offer was deemed credible? I'm waiting.
SamFisher! Ha ha ha! That was what you have called funny. Join me and the Earth is finality! Karas has been getting up my nerves. He only dresses as cat-like muscle man! Ha ha ha! You can have his chair, and even his pay, plus extra banana and ray gun.
You know, this little subplot of ours has inspired me to buy the entire 64 episode set on DVD, and I'm being serious. I was always too young to have caught on to Dr. Gori's questionable syntax for a Space Ape genius with a 300 IQ, but I will have to study it closely. Know thy enemy.... BTW, now that I discovered your true identity, don't think I'm not about to put it into my latest installment of Spectreman Fan Fiction.
Um, because I'm not very bright? I should have started a new thread, I agree. I started the thread so why can't I deal with it?
1. Sudan 2. To hand over Osama 3. I don't know, but apparently it was because Clinton brought it up (as heard on the tape).
Where does it say this in the tape? please give me specific quotes to support 1, 2, and 3. Plus, please give me more specific answers. Who from "Sudan" made this offer?
Faos Clinton never said that Sudan offered him Bin Laden. What he said was there was talk about them offering him Bin Laden. That is true. There was talk. It was investigated and discredited. Don't worry since you guys didn't want to read the evidence the first several times it was put out there, I'll do it again when I get a chance.
