Iranians may be ready to vote Ahmadinejad out of power

Thanks for the information.

 

Respectfully disagree with your idea of seperating "church"and state.

Its also my personal duty to note that you have never seen nor do you have any in-depth knowledge whatsoever of what an Islamic Demrocay stands for.

Also, please don't shame the name of Islam by using present-day Islamc governments as examples .

 

Looks like there's some legs to the rumor that a a general from the revolutionary guards has has been arrested and sacked for refusing orders to crackdown on the protest.

 

Iran's Supreme Leader acting more and more like Saddam.

 

Good point. The protesters needs to tag him with that line when they chant.

 

Scary thought..

 

Mathloom, this discussion is not needed in this thread, but I think you know I don't think religion is anything more than Mythology, so you and I should never have that talk...for the good of the board.

I just like total freedom for people...and that includes the freedom to call BS on religion.



DD

 

Religion should be judged like nuke possession - by how "responsible" the handling and implementation of the religion is As long as the religion recognizes the part of dont harm and kill others and means it (need more that preach kill yourself first), and doesnt overly-suppress women, wont have a problem with it. Too bad those hardly exist but ANYWAY...

These events have been fascinating. Prayers go out to the women and men, and sons and daughters who had to lose their lives for freedom... So sad. Also for those in this thread and everywhere who have had to suffer losses...Hopefully the memories remain as time fades. Hopefully Iranian rulers will not conveniently forget that its the PEOPLE that is still its greatest resource.

As both impactful and unfortunate as these events are, its a refreshing look at people fighting for real freedom, real issues, real ideals. And we need all the people on this side of it as we can get. Before future battles turn into people vs CO2 and CFC deposits into the atmosphere.

 

Agreed. I also am all for freedom of religion so we agree there too. Calling BS on a religion is a touchy subject - I agree partially as long the line of respect for any and all religions is not breached. But as you said, let's keep out of those topics for the good of the board .

 

What if the people freely choose a religious gov't?

 

"Basiji Hunting"

anyone heard about this? Just saw a report where people are turning the tables on some of the government’s goon squads and hunting them down and exposing them from their homes.

This is more than just protests in the streets

 

The Middle East has caused 80% of the worlds problems in these last few decades.... it's pathetic. Piss poor countries like that should be evacuated of its citizens and eliminated with nukes. Either that or then send soldiers to eliminate all the leaders and the weak governments and take over the damn country to make it right. Easier said then done.

 

The middle east didn't cause 80% of the world's problems in the last decade. Part of that percentage was taken by the nation that invaded Iraq, which caused a chunk of the world's problems.

 

That is completely their choice.....I just hope that religious government allows the minority to decide to worship or not, or to respect all people's decisions.

DD

 

Great idea.

 

wiki --

http://www.thewashingtonnote.com/archives/2009/06/the_four_iran_s/

 

Well... we invaded Iraq for some reasons... All this stuff happening in Iraq, Iran, all this stuff is all due to their government being so weak and crappy... not being able to handle power, there's so many things dating back to the early 80's that have caused things to happen today. It's like a cause and effect thing.

 

Iraq had a pretty strong government prior to 1991.

 

After reading about how the regular Iranian military might not follow the orders of leadership and that a general of the Revolutionary Guard was sacked does anyone see the possibility of a military coup in Iran?

 

With all due respect (and I mean that... for example, I've intended to tell you how much I like your moniker. Amazing how many folks join here and come up with some absurd combination of letters and numbers I can never remember how to spell, much less remember at all. it's always been a mystery to me that more thought isn't put into that by people. you may have noticed me responding to you with, "It's all your fault!" ), anyway, with all due respect, could you make a more idiotic comment? I've traveled in the Middle East, even been to Tehran, and the people there are people just like us. They love their spouses, their children, their girlfriends/boyfriends, a beautiful sunrise. They think their country and its history matters, just as we do. Many are very religious, as some are here, and many are not, as some are here. They just happen to be different from most of us. One of my son's best friends is Egyptian and a Muslim. He couldn't be a nicer fellow. Very respectful of my wife and I, which would be nice to see more of from our young people, not less.

Sure, there are innumerable flaws, countless problems, but it isn't the fault of the vast majority of people there, the vast majority of whom would die should we do as you suggest. In Iran, the problems are caused by a theocratic dictatorship with a veneer of democracy. In Egypt, the problems are caused by a dictatorship of another kind, with its own veneer of democracy. In Israel, which I assume you wouldn't want to "nuke," just make a wasteland from the fallout, the problems are caused by a flawed democracy that allows inordinate power in the hands of a small group of religious extremists and ultra-nationalists. All my opinions, of course.

You want to "nuke" "the piss poor countries?" Invade them all and take out their governments? Even if that was said in jest (and I didn't see a "winkie" or a "smilie face"), it is inflammatory and useless to a productive discussion. Not to mention utterly impossible, for a host of reasons. The failed policies of the past two administrations are being replaced by new policies from our own new government. Events are moving at such speed that no one can know what will happen tomorrow, much less next week, next month, or next year. Calls for violent intervention are unproductive, and violent intervention would be an act of madness at this point.