Iranians may be ready to vote Ahmadinejad out of power

Both sides are now claiming a blowout victory. I imagine whoever the state declares the loser is going to claim fraud of some sort.

 

It doesn't matter who wins, Ali Khamenei is still in charge. Why will there be violence if nothing will really change?

 

Things could change domestically for the Iranians, but not much in terms of foreign policy.

 

This is not going to end well for someone.

 

Moral victories are all they got.

 

I wonder what is the latest.

I have some friends from Iran on facebook and they don't seem too happy. They are all anti Ahmadinejad.

Time to tune into CNN and find out the latest.

 

okay this is driving me nuts. All kinds of stories from both sides coming out claiming victory. Any reputable sites people know with good reporting?

 

The Interior Ministry is claiming that with 61% of the votes tallied, Ahmadinejad is leading 66.1% to 31.6%. Sounds very unlikely. Clearly this is fraudulent and the government decided the outcome before the vote. Ahmadinejad will stay in power.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090612...lYwN5bl90b3Bfc3RvcnkEc2xrA2lyYW5zcHJlc2lkZQ--

I'm gonna take a wild guess that the real vote was a blowout for Mousavi, which is why the government is announcing such a ridiculous vote count the other way. They have put themselves in a box and there is no way Mousavi can be declared the winner.

Oh well.

 

Why would you say that? Is there any evidence? It's funny that when candidates supported by the West win elections, the political process is fair, but when individuals that the West doesn't wanna see in power are victorious, the elections are fraudulent. To me this is what is happening when you examine commentary in western governments and media vis-a-vis the elections in Lebanon and Iran. Maybe the other guy just had more support. Same thing is true in Africa when they have elections How come nobody is talking about voter fraud and buying off candidates and voters in Lebanon?

http://www.lebanonwire.com/0905MLN/09053012AW.asp

 

probably because very few of us knew that lebanon had elections recently. the iranian election was all over the news all day today

 

I've been reading quite a bit looking for honest commentary. Beforehand, I was open to the idea that Ahmadinejad could win. But the nature of the win is strange. Something is off.

I'm not entirely sure whether I think the outcome was fixed or not. I want to believe not. But if it wasn't there is something significant missing from the narriative that nobody has been able to grasp. A blowout on giant turnout simply doesn't fit the election dynamics as they are understood by any of the serious and sober Iran observers that I pay attention to.

 

Mousavi is as hardline as Mahmoud, stop sugar coating him as a moderate, that is pure nonesense, its like calling Rafsanjani a liberal, these idiots have been in power, check your facts, Mousavi was the last prime minister of Iran, nothing happened. Rafsanjani is worse, if given the chance Ill gut him alive.

 

The margin of victory seems completely ridiculous. I didn't rule out Ahmadinejad winning, but for him to be up 65 to 32 with over 77% of the vote counted, nah.

Doesn't matter what I think. It's over and done. I hope there aren't a lot of protests that cause bloodshed by security forces.

 

Ive lived in Iran and fought during the Iran-Iraq war, I cant even see properly with my left eye because of shrapnel and I would tell you the God honest truth, Khameni decides who wins and who losses. there is no free election in Iran, and unlike the Shah, if you go to the street expect the Tienanmen massacre times three in freedom square. There is no free elections there, no freedom of the press, everything is watched, tallied and reported. it would be naive to expect Iran to have free elections, plus all four candidates are mullah loving idiots.

 

Why do you think that is?
I guess there is no 'agenda' in that

You control the input a person gets. . . you control that person

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This is the truth. This election was chosen for the people, not by the people.

 

regarding elections or news, the bigger the impact the country has, the bigger the air time he gets. Ive always hated how the Media plays things, a Briton gets killed in Somalia, its big news, it is sometimes portrayed that Britons, Americans and such are more human than other nations. Look at the news that has garnered in Italy over the death of the British girl.

 

rephrase that, the election was chosen not for the people but for the supreme leader and his policies.

 

That's true, but what you imply that I meant is not what I meant. I can see how it is ambiguous, though.

 

sorry for being Gun ho, I just hate this regime,unlike most people Ive seen what the Bassidj could do, what these khomeni worshipers are potentially capable of.