Yes, in terms of the US Constitution they are granted the same right to speech and assembly as US citizens. While you might find that interesting that is clearly the languange of the COnstitution. Ground Zero itself, the pit where the buildings fell into isn't open to all people, US citizens included. I can attest to that as a fact since last time I was in in NYC access to the pit was closed. So it isn't a matter of granting Ahmedinajad a right that only citizens are granted access to Ground Zero isn't a right to citizens or anyone else. That said Ahmedinajad had the right to travel to any public spot in NYC as much as US citizens do. My point is that you made a statement: Is wrong. Non-citizens even if they are visting foreign heads of states still have rights under US jurisdiction.
OMG, this is from someone who has called me 'low life' before. NewYorker if you have a mirror at home you should start using it.
I will require some sort of name/address before I pay for the tickets so that when you back out of paying for it I know who to come after. Alternately, if Clutch wan'ts to provide me with the IP that you log on from, I can work with that as a tangible bridge too. But I will do everything, short of a situation that results with me with a ticket to New York, and you with the opportunity to disapear and stick me with it. Round Trip 11/12/07 to 11/14/07 is $225. How does that work for you? That is reasonable and I can understand why you view it that way. Consider this my experiment to prove that people who play stupid games on their computer are petty and hiding behind the anonymity of their computer. I am seriously willing to bend over backwards two or three times to get this done, not out of petty anger, but as a case study for my own edification in people who like to create inflated personas on the internet. It is my belief that whatever New Yorker says about high and noble 'experiments' is just intellectualization To me, his behavior is more petty and angry and indicative of a personality disorder than any words that I can ever type. I seriously am intrigued by the aberrant mental health of people who feel so disaffected that they have to create a fake self, but wilt when the attachment of that persona to an actual person occurs. Like the only reason people like this act civil in company isn’t out of any sense of the value of civility, but because they are worried that if they say what they are really thinking they will get punched in the nose. That sort of stark BF Skinnerian world view is both repellant and fascinating to me. Perhaps this is all just intellectualization on my part as well. Maybe I just really dislike fake people. If that is so I'm fine with that. But it is my opinion that New Yorker has accidentally positioned himself for a move that he will never be able to follow through on. I am willing to do everything to facilitate his having to merge his fantasy life with his real life short of getting stuck with a useless airplane ticket. To me, thus far his dance to set up barriers to my meeting him has been amusing enough by itsef. Like Ahmadinejad, the best way to show him for what he is is by letting him speak his own words.
You don't need my address, I've sent you an email address already. You have not responded. We can do 11/11, but I can't do the 11/12 - 11/14 since I will be in Brazil for 10 days starting on the 14th and have much to do for that trip. Better would be earlier, or after I get back. Also, would prefer to do this on a Sunday when I have more free time. Here's how this can work. Once you set the dates, we'll designate a place to meet. You'll do a bit of quick paperwork. I'll have someone to ask you a few simple questions on camera, and then we'll talk, all on camera, and you have to tell me how fake I am and what a pathalogical liar and all the dribble you spew on here. If you do that, and bring a receipt of your plane ticket, I'll pay you up to $400 in cash reimbursement. Then you're free to go on your way, and you can't lie about it because it will be on video tape. In case you are a no show, We'll videotape the location of the meeting place, along with proof of the date and time (ask random people on the street walking by what the time and date is) to show everyone you chickened out. I'll give you my name once you purchase a ticket and send the itinerary of your flight to the email address I provided you earlier today. I will not give you my home address - you can't expect me to give that away as that's not a smart thing to give to a complete stranger who spews hate against my character. If you have doubts about whether or not I'll follow-through, we can do a phone interview where you can talk to the person who will be doing the filming. Would that satisfy you?
i clicked on the send email function on the site...i just sent you another email. check your junk email folder.
He really got to you. There's no explanation to internet douchebaggery. I hope for a letdown and that the both of you turn out fine if you do meet. But enough of my faux internet sympathy (a polar opposite of the NYer persona?)... I want a youtube to waste 15 minutes on!
A new Clutch BBS classic! Man NewYorker! Between this thread and the meltdown you had in the other thread (so bad the mods removed it from the board, hum...wonder why?) you have been exposed for a ridiculous fraud for all to see! But hey! I’m (really) in New York! Can I come and watch the taping?
I hope I didn't start this snowball....Otto, New Yorker... please recind on this engagement. It won't prove anything. Someone, likely both are going to look silly if this was aired... Otto, I believe you are sick,...calm down. I personally would have no problem saying exactly what I say on the computer to your face, except I have no inclinition unless if it was to try out the firearms at the range, or to eat bar-b-que... I think you are continuing this act/game (despite being sick) to take advantage of New Yorker...I will have more respect for you if you just let it go...
Trust me, I'm going to make him earn that $255 and everyone on here is going to see what a fool he is. It will be worth that plus the cost of the camera man and post-production. I'm sure it will cost me a grand when it's all said and done.
Otto, when I now try to email you I get this message: Hmmmmm, seems like someone is "hiding behind their computer" doesn't it?
yeah, looks like he was making it up how he didn't get my previous two emails and now has turned it off. did you trying sending him an email? I just sent you one as well. I think he thought i wasn't being serious and figured he could show me up...but no way, i'm going to take this all the way through.
