Saber rattling is always about keeping one's own population in line. Iran is facing a cultural revolution of youth, Mullahs stirring up xenophobis and nationalism is keeping their finger in the dyke. There is really no point in the West being publicly confrontational. Mutually Assured Destruction is the only endgame for nuclear politics. Oh, you could delay Iran's development of weapons with an attack but you would be creating a mutigenerational enemy who just happens to be holding the shorthairs of your way of lfe in his hands. What other response would anyone expect from Iran at this point in the escalation of rhetoric. We probably ought to turn down the volume on our side and focus on what we can do to promote change from within Iran.
Iran bashes America everyday, there's no public gathering that says 'death to Iran'. we dont care about that crap country.. we care about the NBA and what kinda of shoes to buy. Cause we can.
Can you or the St Dept provide me with a single shred of evidence directly implicating Hezbollah in any act of terrorism? Because all you have provided me with is a laundry list of accusations. Now when I say that Hezbollah is a member of the Lebanese parliament, has its own tv station, liberated south Lebanon from yet another illegal Israeli occupation, and provides vast amounts of social services for people who otherwise wouldn't get them, all of these things are facts and if you don't belive me, go and look it up for yourself I can accuse you of being 'stupid,' but it doesn't mean it's true
The chants of Death to America should not be taken literally. This is a reference to US foreign policy in the region. America is actually very popular in Iran, but the US government is not. There's plenty of inflammatory rhetoric to go around on all 3 sides Israel has continously threatened Iran and Shimon Peres recently called the President of Iran Satan The US also continues to threaten Iran....what do you think "all option are on the table" means? Lets also not forget US military plans to nuke Iran's nuclear facilities....the irony there goes without saying. Thus, there's no need to single out Iran...its not very useful I apologize for the interruption and this momentary dose of reality, let the Iran bashing continue...
Iran may not be deserved to be bashed for its willingness to give certain weapons to terrorists, but they do deserve to be bashed for threatening to attack Israel should they be attacked by the U.S. It's like if the U.S. attacked a seperate nation(say Iraq) because they were attacked by a group residing in Afghanistan. Anyone who does that should be bashed.
This is right out of my previous post, so either you didn't read it or for some reason you don't think it should count. I guess I can't provide you with evidence if your definition of evidence excludes everything you choose to ignore. I can accuse you of being an extremist shill for Iran and the known terrorist organizations that they support. Unfortunatly, that is all to true.
I brought this up in another thread but if you consider firing rockets and artillery deliberately at civillians terrorism then Hezbollah has committed acts of terrorism by targetting Israeli civillian communities in Northern Israel.
I agree, that that is wrong. I don't mind people coming out against that policy of handling Iran. I also think it is wrong of IRan to say they would attack a seperate nation if the U.S. attacks them.
I'm looking for proof This is all according to the St Dept stuff, which means that they're accussations....there is no evidence in anything you've provided and remember the burden of proof is on the person who makes the accussation, if you can't back it up with evidence then the accussations are baseless
I guess you got me there. Since I wasn't on the plane in '85, nor was I one of the people kidnapped more recently, I never had the chance to fingerprint the kidnappers and compare that to my complete database of Hizballah fingerprints. Of course, by your standards we cannot definitively say anything. The fact is that I provided a credible source that says Hizballah was responsible for terrorist acts, including kidnapping and hijacking a plane. I think if you take a poll, most will agree that I have provided more than baseless accusations that Hizballah has commited terrorist actions.
It's pretty pathetic when you have to fall back on this type of argument/response let me ask you a question...did hezbollah not liberate southern lebanon in may of 2000 from over 20 years of yet another illegal israeli occupation?
They did. There is not doubt that the vast majority of the time Hezbollah has targeted military targets. But I think that SC earlier provided evidence, and then Stupid Moniker provided other evidence that shows they have also engaged in terrorism. I find SM's evidence somewhat credible, and SC's various pieces of evidence credible enogh to believe they did engage in terrorism. That doesn't mean they prefer that method, or engage in it often, but they have engaged in it.
i dont think anybody has provided any credible evidence that they're a terrorist organization if we're gonna with what sc provided then everybody is a terrorist
Don't forget the Hezbollah member convicted in German court of the TWA hijacking. He also confessed as much. Creepyfloyd ridicules both the vast accumulated circumstantial evidence, court convictions, and questions about what his threshold for 'proof' is - it should be obvious by now that no matter what your response is he will continue to shrug it off.
let me ask you a few questions...did hezbollah not liberate southern lebanon in may of 2000 from over 20 years of yet another illegal israeli occupation (illegal under international law)? while america continued to fund israel, was israel not sponsoring a terrorist group in southern lebanon known as the sla? i guess that cnn article you posted in which a judge gave his "expert" opinion on whether hezbollah is a terrorist organization is all we needed...i'm sure that judge has a phd in middle eastern studies, wrote his dissertation on abbas musawi, and speaks arabic as well
That begs the question of whether or not hezbollah is an organization that has engaged in terrorism. One doesn't disprove the other - Hezbollah could BOTH have done what you assert AND commit acts of terrorism. Again, this begs the question. Whether or not Israel sponsored a terrorist group is irrelevant to the question of whether or not Hezbollah has committed acts of terrorism. They could both be true. I think having several judges review evidence against Hezbollah in more than one court where both sides are heard is certainly worthy of consideration, yes. Having them conclude the evidence presented is enough, yes. Having a confession of a Hezbollah member is enough, yes. To assert that 'a phd in middle eastern studies, (having) wrote his dissertation on abbas musawi, and speak (ing) arabic as well' is the only valid arbiter of the question is ridiculous - it massively overvalues a Phd, makes no adjustment for bias, and simultaneously undervalues other sources. Obviously you were mesmerized by a professor at some point - no problem - but don't let it blind you to other sources of information.
I've often heard people state that the US military is a terrorists organization since it has at times indiscriminately killed civillians. I've heard the Israeli military called terrorists for their use of collective punishment on the families and towns of suicide bombers. If those actions qualify as terrorism than Hezbollah firing Katyusha rockets at Kibutzs qualifies as terrorism. Two wrongs don't make a right.
We could solve this problem by sending Steven Cobert to Tehran to speak "truthiness" to Ahmanahole, or whatever his name is.
