Iran takes 15 British Soldiers into custody

dude...are you watching any of this??

iran is talking about a trial for these guys.

iran is parading these guys around forcing them to read ridiculous statements.

are you for real???

 

Until there is hatefull mollah's in power, the current mess will allways exsist. and the alqaeda and mollah's bing emies?. well, there funding Sunni and alqaeda opreatives in Afghanistan and iraq now. my enemy of my biggest enemy (united states) can be tolerated. the mollah's would sell there sells mother to keep there power and wealth. all the high ranking mollah's including the holy supreme leader drinks , takes drugs and screws many different beautifull young woman.

 

God help us. Please... keep D&D civil!



D&D. ARGH!!!

 

That's amazing. I've heard the rumors of Iran funding operatives that hit U.S. interests, even Sunni operatives.

The way that Al-Qaeda spouts vitriolic anti-Shia rhetoric, while blowing up Shia mosques and interests in Iraq, Pakistan, etc makes me question your assertion. What would happen if Al-Qaeda is successful in assassinating Nasrallah in Lebanon? The mullah's know he's on AQ's hit-list. I could list other items but won't bother. It's hard for me to imagine the mullah's supporting AQ in any way whatsoever.

 

What's pretty strange is how quickly the captured marines agreed to appear on these propaganda videos. Doesn't it usually takes a lot longer to break the prisoners to get them do that? These are professional soldiers.

 

Makes you wonder what's going on behind the scenes, doesn't it? The Royal Marines, in particular, are very tough, professional soldiers... as good as any in the world.



D&D. Water Sports.

 

at least they arent forcing them to wear womens underwear or stack them in naked pyramids or inserting glo-sticks in their poopers.

compared to how the united states treats its prisoners, i would say these brits are doing pretty well.

and what if iran treated these prisoners half as bad as we treated our prisoners? could you imagine the outrage if one of these troops was paraded around in womens underwear and feces spread all over him?

what if they have already been tortured? what right does the u.s. or brittan have to complain when we do the same thing?

 

Well, because we have a short memory? Because we think our intention is good, so in the long run that's nothing?

While that might seem naive to some, I do believe that's what most Americans think.

 

yes, it is alex jones' website. but before you dismiss it read the quotes from the former british ambassador about the border.

http://www.jonesreport.com/articles/300307_british_manufactured_border.html

In claiming HMS Cornwall was within Iraqi territorial waters, the British government and the media have covered-up the fact there is no agreed upon Iraqi-Iranian maritime border, as other bizarre coincidences and dubious circumstances surrounding the hostage crisis begin to emerge.

Former British Ambassador Craig Murray and others are highlighting the fact that the maritime border between Iraq and Iran is contested, and the British have essentially manufactured a border to make it appear as if HMS Cornwall was within Iraqi territorial waters. The mainstream media has uniformly failed to address this issue.

"The Iran/Iraq maritime boundary shown on the British government map does not exist. It has been drawn up by the British Government. Only Iraq and Iran can agree their bilateral boundary, and they never have done this in the Gulf, only inside the Shatt because there it is the land border too. This published boundary is a fake with no legal force," claims Murray.

"Accepting the British coordinates for the position of both HMS Cornwall and the incident, both were closer to Iranian land than Iraqi land. Go on, print out the map and measure it. Which underlines the point that the British produced border is not a reliable one."

As illustrated in the Encarta encyclopedia territorial map above, the position of the ship denoted by the red circle is nearer the Iranian border than the Iraq border. The blue circumference touches the edge of the Iranian border.

As the Moon of Alabama blog points out, "That boundary is simply not well defined and Iran and Iraq have fought several wars about the Shatt al-Arab and its waterways. There is no binding or otherwise recognized international agreement about the maritime boundaries."

"If one would use a maritime boundary defined by equidistance from the Iraqi and Iranian coastlines, as is commonly (see Art.7) done in such cases, the result would be something like this purple line."

As becomes obvious from looking at the map, taking the equidistant measurement from the Iraqi and Iranian coastlines, the ship is clearly within Iranian territory.

Iranian news source IRNA claims that this represents Britain's sixth violation and trespass of Iranian territory in the last three years, while also stating that the western media has been complicit in "a wave of propaganda campaign against Iran immediately after Iranian border guards arrested British marines."

Even if you dismiss judging territorial water boundaries by the method detailed above, the fact is that the media parroted carte blanche the British government's version, without even pointing out that there is no recognized and agreed upon Gulf water boundary between Iraq and Iran.

Other highly suspicious circumstances surrounding the hostage crisis have also begun to emerge.

During a BBC Newsnight feature story, it was demonstrated that the Iranian footage of the capture of the British sailors was in large part likely faked and the commentators all but suggested the entire incident was staged or at least constituted "gross negligence" on behalf of the British.

Readers have also pointed out the bizarre coincidence of the fact that immediately before the sailors were captured, they were being accompanied by a BBC film crew onboard HMS Cornwall, who filmed a human interest interview with Faye Turney, who has become the poster child of the whole crisis. The interview was broadcast immediately after the sailors were taken hostage and portrayed Turney in a very humanizing light, with pictures of her loved ones in the background.

With the crisis deepening and tensions being ratcheted up by the bellicose rhetoric of both Blair and the Iranians, this Gulf of Tonkin style incident is starting to look increasingly dubious as the drumbeat for war grows ever louder.

or you can read murrays blog here
http://www.craigmurray.co.uk/

 

jomama, your comparisons of the prisoner and treatement is not a very good one. Different circumstances. Im not justifying it, but just stating that its different. Plus, how do you know whats being done to the british when iran turns off the cameras?

 

I heard an interview with one of the Royal Marines captured in 2004 and he mentioned that there training is to cooperate up to a point and not be confrontational. I'm guessing they've been instructed to cooperate short of giving away military positions because if they were killed or beaten that might cause the situation to spin out of control.

Also the Royal Marine stated that in general he was treated well. Some of the interrogation was rough but not violent and they were given food and water. They weren't given banquets and the water being Iranian tap water they were a little uncertain about as they didn't want to get sick.

 

It sounds like the latest news is that Iran is saying that the situation is improving and they are holding back showing more video of the sailors and marines. Unless this takes another turn I don't think they will put them on trial.

 

Sorry for the rapid fire post but wanted to address this. On NPR I heard that in 1975 a maritime border was established following the deepest point of the Shatt Al Arab waterway. I'm presuming since this incident took place outside the waterway that they just extend that line out to the 12 mile boundary to determine the maritime border. The problem with this border is that the Khomenei government refused to recognize this and the line has been altered due to engineering and war activities. So it seems very likely that the Coalition forces are relying upon the 1975 line while the Iranians don't.

 

How do you know they were treated well, are you there with them?
Not saying either way, but how do you judge that by seeing some propaganda videos?

Also comparing 15 "High value" prisoners with thousands of prisoners in general prison population in a hugh jail compound is apples and oranges.

 

objection: irrelevant

this isn't the US v. Iran. it's the UK v. Iran. these countries have diplomatic relations. or at least they had them until this incident.

Iran has taken these guys as prisoners...is talking about a trial...and is throwing the Geneva Convention out the window parading these guys around the media.

The fact that Gitmo is deploreable and indefensible, has nothing to do with this. Let these guys go, already.

 

I am sure the Royal Marines are smart enough to know admitting on camera that they were in Iran waters doesn't help UK in public eyes. So unless they are subject to torture or blackmail, I wouldn't think they would be willing to cooperate so quickly.

 

And lead to $100+ oil. A blockade or Iran will lead to the shutting down of the straight of Hormuz out of the Gulf which will hurt the UK more than Iran.

 

Them getting killed or tortured helps the UK even less. I'm taking the word of the Royal Marine who was in a similar experience that they are acting according to their training.

 

im not comparing them. im saying that if they are mistreated than the "coalition" (u.s. and u.k.) has no place to complain as they are doing the same thing.

this is one of the reasons why you dont torture people.