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Iran Nuke Program

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Realjad, Apr 8, 2017.

  1. Amiga

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    This is dumb. If you want to eliminate that capability, your options are to kill the peoples with the knowledge or go to war.
     
  2. Amiga

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    What he bragged about is old info, known since as early as 2012 and reported in 2015. It’s exactly why a deal was needed.
     
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  3. Exiled

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    In 1979, 1US$~=70 IRR,
    today official exchange rate is 1US$=42,000 IRR
    but actual market exhcange rate is 60,000 IRR ,I wonder how it will look like after 2 weeks.
     
  4. edwardc

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    That's so laughable
    Trump Idiot war monger
    Obama peace maker with results
     
  5. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    So the nuke deal which has successfully kept Iran from obtaining nukes is now going to be scrapped because Netanyahu claims that Iran lied about having a nuclear program in the past which everyone already knows about and the reason for the nuke deal in the first place.

    Looks like they are looking for an excuse to go to war.
     
  6. Invisible Fan

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    lol, I was trollng @ what the Trumpists think.
     
  7. TheresTheDagger

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    The tweet below was 6 days ago. It's stunning to think this dude was one of the main foreign policy leaders in the Obama administration. FAIL.
     
  8. Amiga

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    And we have a president and an admin wild enough and willing enough to do it.

    The few right here again shown that they are easily fooled.
     
  9. Amiga

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    Knowledge is in the people. They always have that capability. Your choice are to take them out, go to war, or have what we currently have- monitor and watch them. Take that away, which trump is about to do, and you go blind again. I don't get why people want to be blind, unless war is your desired outcome.
     
    #49 Amiga, May 1, 2018
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  10. edwardc

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    I can agree with you on that.
     
  11. Amiga

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    https://www.defenseone.com/ideas/2018/05/netanyahu-makes/147874/?oref=DefenseOneTCO

    Netanyahu and Iran’s Atomic Archive: What’s New and What’s Not

    Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is nothing if not a showman. No world leader makes more effective use of props and visual aids, from the literal red line he drew on a cartoon bomb diagram at the United Nations in 2012 to the fragment of an Iranian drone he brandished at the Munich Security Conference this February. Few are so comfortable delivering public remarks in English, never mind someone who is not even a native speaker. Love him or hate him, the man has talent.

    But speaking on Monday in a televised address from the Kirya—Israel’s Ministry of Defense—Bibi outdid himself. “Tonight,” he declared, “we’re going to show you something that the world has never seen before.” Striding across a stage, he revealed a collection of papers and CD-ROMs, representing a cache of documents recently snatched out of Iran by Israeli intelligence.

    The Prime Minister then proceeded to walk his audience through the contents of what he called Iran’s “atomic archive.” Using a slideshow to make the case that “Iran lied” about never having pursued nuclear weapons, he appealed to President Trump to “do the right thing” about the “terrible deal” concluded with Iran in 2015 to constrain its nuclear program.

    As Bibi knows, Trump must decide this May 12 whether to continue to waive sanctions against Iran, in keeping with the terms of the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action, or “Iran deal.” Failing to renew the waivers would effectively withdraw United States from the agreement, with unpredictable consequences.

    Show, don’t tell

    We can be sure that the President, well-known to be a visual learner, appreciated Bibi’s style of presentation. Unfortunately, Netanyahu showed very little that we haven’t already been told.

    Indeed, if the “atomic archive” holds nothing more damning than the contents of Monday’s presentation, then it should increase our confidence that Iran’s weaponization work remains on ice. Nearly every point in his presentation corresponded to intelligence findings made public years ago, first in the “Key Judgments” of a 2007 U.S. National Intelligence Estimate, and later in a detailed annex to a 2011 report by the International Atomic Energy Agency, or IAEA, with the delicate title, “Possible Military Dimensions to Iran’s Nuclear Programme.”

    And so he did, showing off interesting images and videos corresponding to each point. But in most respects, the 2011 IAEAreport was even more detailed. It named and described the “AMAD Plan,” including documents on the chemical processing and enrichment of uranium, the development of a warhead design, modeling and simulation, studies to prepare for nuclear testing, and other areas besides—every point Bibi discussed, and quite a bit more. Much of the annex was derived from “the alleged studies,” a collection of intelligence gathered in 2005.

    Did Iranian officials lie about the country’s past efforts to develop nuclear weapons, as Bibi maintains? You bet. Did we need his presentation to reach that conclusion? Absolutely not.

    Still the best deal in town

    It may seem curious, but Iran’s ability to develop nuclear weapons, and its past attempt to do so, are precisely why the United States, France, Britain, Germany, Russia, and China struck a bargain with Iran. What Iran had been up to was only too well understood. So if Iran’s leaders wanted relief from sanctions, they would have to accept unusually strict limits and monitoring on their civilian nuclear program. That’s the essence of the deal that Netanyahu and Trump both loathe so much.

    Contrary to claims that the deal required Iran to “come clean” and be truthful about its past weapons research, it required only that Iran implement an agreement with the IAEA, facilitating its investigation into Iran’s past activities—which is what happened. Everyone involved understood that Iran’s leaders were lying to save face. After more than a decade of denials, they would not undergo the humiliation of a public admission to the contrary. It’s absurd to imagine otherwise.

    To some, Iran’s regime is so pernicious that keeping the strongest possible sanctions going for as long as possible may seem more important than convincing Tehran not to indulge its nuclear ambitions. But this argument is rarely voiced openly, and is doubtful on the merits. Every other threat that Iran poses—terrorism, subversion, and missile proliferation—would only be abetted by its possession of nuclear weapons.
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  12. Amiga

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    And there you go. Netanyahu presentation (based on the lie that we have new info) has an audience in mind. Trump and his people. Get them to withdrawn from the deal. Then eventually nudge them to bomb Iran. Or, of course Bolton and Pompeo wanted exactly this.

    Yes, we all knew they were lying. Now lets stop monitoring them.

     
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    Embarrassing, truly embarrassing...

    White House claims 'clerical error' led to drastic change in Iran statement
    https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/01/politics/trump-iran-typo/index.html

    White House incompetence roils debate over Iran policy
    http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/white-house-incompetence-roils-debate-over-iran-policy
     
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    Let's hope Kerry succeeds - otherwise iran will restart its nuke program or we will have war
     
  16. Cohete Rojo

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    Trump and Israel (Netanyahu) want Iran to break the deal in some way, or come up with some other excuse for Israel to bomb Iran.

    That’s no secret.
     
  17. Commodore

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    what Kerry did was worse than what was used to justify an FBI Counterintelligence operation and FISA surveillance against Michael Flynn

    COLLUSION with the Iranians, isn't it?
     
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  18. Amiga

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    From the article:

    The Logan Act prohibits US citizens from having private correspondence with a foreign government “with intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government . . . in relation to any disputes or controversies with the United States, or to defeat the measures of the United States.”

    Stephen Vladeck, a law professor at the University of Texas, said the law is a red herring — since it’s never been used to prosecute anyone — and almost certainly would not apply to anything Kerry is doing.

    “The act only applies to conduct that is designed to ‘defeat the measures of the United States’ or influence the conduct of foreign governments,” Vladeck said. “If all Kerry is doing is working to keep in place something that’s still technically a ‘measure of the United States,’ I don’t see how the statute would apply even if someone was crazy enough to try it.”
     
  19. Amiga

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    It is not.
     
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