The premise wasn’t from you. Remember, my reply was to another poster. But we agree that a treaty doesn’t mean an admin can’t easily withdraw from it. Likely or not is guesswork, a dont care and irrelevant. You don’t seem to understand the deal. IAEA has access and Iran cannot block without violating terms. That’s what count. Political public statement from Iran is just that. Opinions such as “basically” statement is also just that.
That's terribly naive of you. When Iran says that the IAEA does not have the ability to check military sites it's pretty foolish to think that they really do.....they just don't feel like checking them ever. I get that you are really trying to go to bat for the Iran deal, but c'mon man, you can't seriously believe that the inspectors genuinely didn't think there was any reason to check out Iranian military sites connected to the nuclear program in the past. They knew that if they tried, they would be kicked out of the country entirely, so they just decided to check only where Iran wanted them to check. I'm pretty sure that you ignored the links I posted earlier because you wished to keep your ignorance on the issue intact but one of them was an article by the former deputy director general of the IAEA talking about why the IAEA has an obligation to check those military sites that they were too scared to ask permission to inspect.
Cha-ching! Good for me, too. Also good for all those who are super-scared about climate change. Win-win all around.
read through and see the foolishness that is being repeated In 1994, the United States negotiated a nuclear agreement with North Korea known as the Agreed Framework. 1/ Under the deal, North Korea was to end their nuclear weapons program in exchange for heavy fuel oil, to energy producing nuclear reactors paid for by South Korea, and diplomatic normalization. 2/ The total cost was cheap – a few billion dollars, mostly paid for by the South. 3/ In 2002, The Bush Admin was upset the deal appeased North Korea, a terrorist state with an horrific human rights record, and was convinced North Korea was cheating. 4/ Bush pulled out of the deal. John Bolton was the Chief State Department official and cheerleader for regime change. 5/ Bolton and company were convinced they could bring enough global pressure to bear on Pyongyang that it would be forced to stop both nuclear and other dangerous activities. They were wrong. 6/ They ignored the fact that Bush’s global reputation was toxic and countries were not interested in supporting US policy. 7/ Defense Secretary Rumsfeld had denigrated “old Europe” including our closest allies UK, France and Germany. 8/ Once freed of constraints and inspections, and in the face of a US seen as hostile and irrational, produced large amounts of nuclear materials and tested its first nuclear weapon in 2006. 9/ Since then North Korea has been off to the atomic races. 10/ Bolton believe the Iraq would show Iran, North Korea, and others that America was back tough and not to be messed with and they would stop their nuclear and other efforts. 11/ Iraq did not have WMD and the Bush Admin, led in part by Bolton and fed by Netanyahu, manipulated intelligence and public opinion to justify the invasion and war against Iraq.12/ The war colossal failure. The Bush Administration was incompetent, staffed mainly by ideologues loyal to VP Cheney. 13/ Bush rejected IAEA conclusion that Iraq’s nuclear weapons program was dead (Bush was wrong, IAEA was right), failed to adequately prepare for what came after inspectors were kicked out and Iraq invaded, and alienated the allies we needed to support us. 14/ Sound familiar? 15/ Trump now violating the JCPOA – a deal that was working and that IAEA was effectively verifying. Bolton has encouraged and called for this move. 16/ There is no hope US will garner broad global support for a get tough approach. Our allies were willing to work to add onto the deal if we kept the current constraints in place. We did not take yes for an answer. 17/ America is now blamed for demise of the agreement. We alienated our allies and are now threatening them with sanctions. The EU is preparing blocking legislation that will protect their companies and isolate US. 18/ Iran is now freed from nuclear constraints. They can turn the nuclear dial up at a time of their choosing, take advantage of the divide between US and Europe. 19/ We will likely end up with a nuclear Iran or we will be forced to take military action to damage their nuclear capability. 20/ This all falls at the feet of Trump, Bolton and the groups that undermined and misled the public on the JCPOA, falsely claiming it allowed Iran to build nuclear weapons, could not be verified, that Iran was able to keep IAEA out of military sites, etc. 21/ This includes @FDD , @thegoodISIS , @AIPAC and the entire GOP caucus. They own the consequences. They must be held to account. 22/ If they can produce a better deal, I will applaud. But I doubt they can. They have supported an Administration that can’t think or shoot straight. We are all going to suffer for this decision. End/
You can claim any deal is "working" when you don't actually check to see if the deal is being violated or not. We've been over this time and again, and it seems that after I proved you wrong, you just moved on repeating the same type of BS. As to the historical fiction you posted, Bush didn't end the Agreed Framework, the North Koreans were caught violating it....something we know they were doing since just a few years later they had functional nuclear weapons. Blaming that breakdown on Bush is nothing more than North Korean propaganda (though it's increasingly more difficult to tell the difference between DNC spin and propaganda put out by enemies of the US). The North Koreans were running a secret uranium enrichment program so really all the Agreed Framework did was funnel money into North Korea helping them fund their secret nuclear program till they got caught and by then they were far enough along to where they had a fully functional weapon within a few years. The same thing was set to happen in Iran.
Yes, Bush was not the shiniest took in the box. However, we do know that Iran has a nuke program, unlike Iraq, and we know that this deal ends in less than two decades. BTW, Trump has a June 12 meeting with Kim.
Israel fired first, Iran fired back, then Israel fired back hard. From the sound of it, Iran won't be able to fire back.
Russia had told Israel in February: if Iran attack you ,we will be by your side.Israel also warned Assad, we will kill you if you dare to threaten us. https://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN1I80O4 not sure Iran attempted to retaliate by all means, more likely it's just another IDF field exercise
Iran also threatened to attack the US or anyone else if they launched missiles on Syria...then did nothing as a coalition of forces fired rockets in response to Assad using chemical weapons yet again.....allegedly. Point is, I'm not sure the word of the Russians is really that valid.
Blows up Iran deal gets Iran parliament so pissed they're burning American flags and shooting off missiles Captures 5 top ISIS operators Frees three American prisoners from North Korea Sets up a meeting with Kim un Jong in Singapore Very good 72 hours for Trump Two are immediate wins Two are longer-term plays
Russian position is more important to Iran as their forces seek shelter in Putin's bases But overall ,everyone won something from this , on the Mullahs side , for a little price, they became an instant martyr, the underdog/imperialism victim, they won a lot of sympathy and potential future allies , and as of today they're back to business as usual and targeting Da'raa town opposition, ...it's just one battle of a very long war
It appears Trump's actions regarding the Iran deal has sparked hope in Iran among those who live under the mullahs. They are voicing massive support for Trump there as shown below. #WeAreHostages #ThankYouTrump
What's wrong with that? Aren't there other countries (France, Birtain) who will still be a part of the deal?
No, the world has come to an end without the US being part of the deal. There's no way that the inspectors could still keep inspecting where the Iranians want them to inspect to keep the other countries that are still in the deal thinking that Iran is complying.
So we're supposed to believe that the Iranian people love Trump despite the fact that he's trying to re-impose sanctions that have crippled their economy for years? They love the guy who banned people from Iran from coming to the US because of non-existent terrorist threats? Wanting what's best for people in Iran and trying to work with their government despite its craziness aren't mutually exclusive positions. Oh and this is all based on 708 tweets? LOL.
I recall the stupidity of that deal. North Korea claimed it wanted nuclear plants for energy only. No weapons grade activity or involvement would take place. Monitors were set up to make sure the North Koreans would not try anything funny. And then the funny North Koreans covered up the monitors when they had all their chess pieces in place. Iran deal is just as dumb. Obama interfered in Netanyahu elections in Israel, praised the Palestinians, and has acted like he wouldn’t mind Iran blowing Israel into dust. Allowing the Iranians to build nukes. Rush Limbaugh has covered it this week.....noting that the agreement wasnt even signed by Iran. Not enforceable. Sanctions restrained as long as they keep pretending to be complying. They do not allow inspections into military establishments and take over a week before allowing inspectors into other sites. https://www.nationalreview.com/2015/11/state-department-iran-deal-not-legally-binding-signed/
Rush certainly knows more than the Secretary of State and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, who both said Iran was in compliance. Rush must have been on a number of inspections and then high-level briefings.
