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Iowa Caucuses Thread

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by justtxyank, Jan 29, 2020.

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Who will win the Iowa Caucus

Poll closed Feb 1, 2020.
  1. Bernie Sanders

    42.9%
  2. Joe Biden

    14.3%
  3. Elizabeth Warren

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  4. Pete Buttigieg

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  5. Amy Klobuchar

    28.6%
  6. Mike Bloomberg

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  7. Andrew Yang

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  8. Tom Steyer

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  9. Other

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  10. I abstain. Courteously.

    14.3%
  1. shorerider

    shorerider Member

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    What most centrist Democrats and Republicans don't seem to get (or want to admit) is that the trajectory of society elected Trump and has pushed the population further to the extreme both on the left and right. Anybody looking for an answer as to why things are they way they are right now need look no further than the following image:

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    Status quo is just not the trajectory that large chunks of the population are content with any longer. The system is simply not working anymore for a lot of people and they are angry as hell about it.
     
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  2. jiggyfly

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    What does this even mean?

    It must not be Bernie because if he did he would be leading in the primary and would have won Iowa hands down.

    If this was indeed the ideology of the Democratic party why did he just join in 2015?

    Why don't you and Berny and the others form your own party if the democratic one does not fit your ideology?
     
  3. pirc1

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    Well many in the bottom 50% deserve to stay there IMO with their voting choices.
     
  4. jiggyfly

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    A huge chunk Warren supporters second choice is Pete and they overlap with demographics.

    If you add up all of the moderate candidates support its about 56% both warren and Bernies support tops out at 48%.

    Sorry the numbers don't add up.
     
  5. Major

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    Uhhhh, what? 2016 GOP caucuses had 180,000 people. This year had 30,000 - which is to be expected given that it was non-competitive. What the hell
     
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  6. Agent94

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    I remember stories after the 2016 election where people said they would have voted Bernie over Trump, but wouldn't vote Clinton over Trump. Which I thought was weird until I understood the point you just made. The status quo is not working. Both the far right and left are angry at corporate bailouts, the high cost of education, forever wars, etc. Its a government that takes 1/3 of their salary and gives them little in return. They actually have more in common than they think. They have been ushered into ideological silos based on wedge issues.
     
  7. shorerider

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    Most spot on comment in the whole thread.
     
  8. Corrosion

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    Record turnout for an incumbent...
     
  9. Major

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    No they don't. Most of the people that came out in 2018 came out to vote against Trump - they didn't particularly care about the details. And it's more evidence that a lot of them were traditional Republicans/independents who aren't going to vote in Dem primaries. They can't vote against Trump/GOP in the these primaries, so turnout's not going to be the same.

    It's not JUST 2018 that people people point to. All the special elections, all the 2017 and 2019 elections, etc had really high turnout. It's not some kind of one-time fluke, and there's no signs any of that has diminished. Nothing has changed from all of those elections - tons of people will come out in November to vote against Trump.
     
  10. Nook

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    I agree with except regardless of who the Democratic candidate is, the outcome is going to be very close.

    Nixon destroyed McGovern in 72'.
     
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  11. jiggyfly

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    I don't know about that, just look what happened in Iowa.

    don't think they have sow much division its already here.
     
  12. REEKO_HTOWN

    REEKO_HTOWN I'm Rich Biiiiaaatch!

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    I mean it's a technology/stupid system cluster****. New Hampshire won't have those issues.
     
  13. Major

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    LOL. As compared to what? 2004, 1992, and 1984? You realize that the GOP didn't even hold caucuses those years, right?
     
  14. jiggyfly

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    So why did Clinton win and why do all of the moderates totals add up to more than the progressives?
     
  15. jiggyfly

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    I read that link and this is a huge cluster****.

    I still can't get my head around the app, why would they need an app just to report results?
     
  16. Corrosion

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    Race isn't the issue here:

    You need to replace Latino children in cages with Foreign National Children illegally entering the country.


    Many of those children are being exploited .... recycled time and again to get the adults they are traveling with into the country.

    Parents in Mexico are afraid of their children being kidnapped or being extorted by the cartels "for the use of their children" in this enterprise.


    Race isn't the issue here. There's a lot more going on than brown and white.
     
  17. heypartner

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    Wow, this is sad misinformation. Trump is the first Rep Incumbent who had a Caucus, except Ford, who never got elected.
    • 1984 Reagan was unopposed ... No Rep Caucus Held
    • 1992 Bush Sr unopposed ... No Rep Caucus Held
    • 2004 GW unopposed ... No Rep Caucus Held
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iowa_caucuses#Republicans
     
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  18. Corrosion

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    This post reminds me of what AOC said recently - She and Biden wouldn't be in the same party in any other country and that's an accurate statement.
    In the US the Dem's & GOP are loosely wound coalitions of smaller groups with a wide gap between them from the moderate middle to the wing nut extremes on both sides.

    Anywhere else they are separated into smaller groups.
     
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  19. Corrosion

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    Then what I heard on CNN last night was falsely reported ....
     
  20. Agent94

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    Changing beliefs or maybe just believing that your candidate is viable. 12 years ago, Obama was against gay marriage. Now the leading moderate is an openly gay man and a socialist is leading the election.
     

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