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Iowa Caucuses Thread

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by justtxyank, Jan 29, 2020.

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Who will win the Iowa Caucus

Poll closed Feb 1, 2020.
  1. Bernie Sanders

    42.9%
  2. Joe Biden

    14.3%
  3. Elizabeth Warren

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  4. Pete Buttigieg

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  5. Amy Klobuchar

    28.6%
  6. Mike Bloomberg

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  7. Andrew Yang

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  8. Tom Steyer

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  9. Other

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  10. I abstain. Courteously.

    14.3%
  1. mick fry

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    I think he meant because they would be legal citizens, surely he’s not playing the race card on a situation that everyone knows Obama had a hand in.
     
  2. Major

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    The Democratic Party is not just filled with progressives. It is a national party that aims to represent a mix of people that includes both progressives and moderates. A progressives-only party would be a minority party in the US that couldn't win any state or national elections.

    Amongst registered Democrats nationwide, in a one-on-one decision between Bernie and Bloomberg, Bloomberg almost certainly wins. It's the same reason Hillary comfortably beat Bernie in the primaries in 2016, despite primaries generally being a subset of more liberal voters. It's the same reason every far-left candidate has been obliterated in the primaries since the 1980s.
     
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  3. fchowd0311

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    Divisive rhetoric? And dismissing supporters of Bernie as "Bernie Bros" and misogynist isn't "divisive"?

    Bernie Sanders has shown extreme willingness to support any candidate that beats him in the primaries. Just like he did with Hillary and showing up to 40... 40 ****ing rallies trying to sell Hillary.

    It's so odd. When establishment candidates attack Bernie and his supporters, the excuse is "it's the primaries, they have to differentiate between each other to convince voters why they should vote for them instead of another candidate". When Bernie criticizes other candidates it's "OmG hOw dArE hE!!??".
     
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  4. fchowd0311

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    And what empirical evidence do you have for this? Bloomberg's less than 5% support in the DNC primary aggregate polling?

    The Democratic party for the past 4 decades had sold itself as the worker class and underprivileged class party. Bernie represents their sentiments more than Bloomberg.

    Be happy that underprivileged class and worker class resentment for the billionaire class is so mild that they see a benign figure who never advocates for violence as their ideological representative.

    I'll guarantee you in 30-50 years if none of those resentments are genuinely confronted, and the top .1% keep on hording more disproportionate wealth, those resentments are going to start turning violent and then you'll face a French revolution or a Bolshevik revolution instead of a Bernie revolution and no one ****ing wants that. And then if we are still alive during that time, we will be wishing we could go back to a time where the worst extremist leftists did was call a billionaire who buys his way into elections a "oligarch" on cable TV.
     
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  5. B-Bob

    B-Bob "94-year-old self-described dreamer"
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  6. Major

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    Bernie's inability in either this election or the last one to ever grow beyond his base. This time, he's basically stuck around 25% - which means he's lost a large chunk of the people who supported him in the last election now there are better alternatives to Hillary. And he's not going to rise much above that. As other candidates drop out, he will stay generally where he is - maybe top out around 35% would be my guess. I would argue he'd lose a one-on-one contest with Biden, Pete, Warren, and Bloomberg - because a large chunk of the Democratic Party is simply not where he is politically. He represents a fragment of the party - and maybe one day, that fragment grows into a majority, but it's nowhere near that now.

    You could also look at the fact the vast majority of Dems in the House and Senate are not remotely aligned with Bernie. At the end of the day, the socialist types aren't winning elections at any level outside of the Squad, more or less.
     
  7. fchowd0311

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    Warren is still firmly in 3rd place. Why are you making the assumption that the vast majority of Warren supporters will jump to an establishment candidate? If she drops out, you don't think a large chuck of the 15-20% of the DNC base she holds won't jump over to Bernie?

    Her policy proposals align mostly with Bernie's, not Biden's or Pete's.
     
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    How are those results comin?
     
  9. DonnyMost

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    Turns out the CEO/founder of Shadow's parent company, Acronym, is married to a person employed by the Buttigieg campaign as a Senior Strategist.

    https://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2020/02/04/us/politics/ap-us-election-2020-app.html
     
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    Looks like the DNC is leaning in, not out, on this.

    Democratic National Committee takes more active role in Iowa counting process

    The fact that the DNC is stepping in for vote counting now that the precinct reporting has stalled on mostly Bernie heavy counties is probably not very comforting to Bernie fans.
     
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  11. FranchiseBlade

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    Greater public outrage
     
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    So he’s playing then ‘legal card’ then. That’s what I thought. It would be a racist thing to say if he meant otherwise. Of course he’s allowed to joke about these things so maybe he tossed a dud.
     
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    2 days later, still at 71% reporting, LMAO. So nobody won Iowa then. Onto New Hampshire!!
     
  14. B@ffled

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    Iowan’s are going to be low on the list for public support after this debacle.
     
  15. B@ffled

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    This reeks of DNC bamboolzing. They are ruthless. Ask Bernie and Donald.
     
  16. Andre0087

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    About as quick as Trump's tax returns...
     
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  17. Corrosion

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    That last line is kinda interesting .... especially when you combine that with the GOP having a "record turnout".


    Does this say anything at all about how people feel about this group of candidates ?

    Really makes me wonder if the "anyone but Trump" tactic is going to get the job done.
     
  18. DonnyMost

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    @Major given that most of the stuff regarding the app development company turned out to be true, do you now share, or at least understand the concerns about conflict of interest?

    Like I already said, I do not agree with the malicious intent explanation (incompetency is always far more plausible), but I think it was a dumb move for any state or federal Democratic organization to hire a company like that (with ancestral and other baked-in partisan interests) to develop or oversee anything regarding the fairness/execution of elections.

    It seems like a total fundamentals thing that you would want a company as politically disinterested and uninvested as possible to work on such things. Especially when you are operating in an environment with such heightened concerns about election integrity, etc.
     
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  19. DonnyMost

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    This has been the fear all along. That instead of 4-5 "frontunners"... we actually have none.

    I've been saying all along that you can't expect to ride "never Trump" to victory the way we did in 2018.

    These early returns support that theory, and I'm very worried about it.
     
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  20. Corrosion

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    Maybe I'm just old .... but I remember a time when we didn't have instant information and had to wait on results for stuff like this for a day or two.

    I'm not concerned at all with the app failure ... All I care about is the results being accurate.


    Seems to me so many are making the failure of this app to be the story of the day when really , its inconsequential , its just a slight inconvenience and nothing more.

    I guess so many are used to instant information on everything .... but I remember a time when we didn't carry a super computer in our pockets and we had to do silly things like balance a checkbook .... manually.

    You've taken a step back in time , that's all ....
     
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