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Iowa Caucuses Thread

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by justtxyank, Jan 29, 2020.

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Who will win the Iowa Caucus

Poll closed Feb 1, 2020.
  1. Bernie Sanders

    42.9%
  2. Joe Biden

    14.3%
  3. Elizabeth Warren

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  4. Pete Buttigieg

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  5. Amy Klobuchar

    28.6%
  6. Mike Bloomberg

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  7. Andrew Yang

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  8. Tom Steyer

    0 vote(s)
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  9. Other

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  10. I abstain. Courteously.

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  1. Ottomaton

    Ottomaton Contributing Member
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    If Buttigieg wins the nomination, the most fun comes from waiting for the first Republican to lose their cool and start with the gay slurs.

    Its like a giant game of chicken with thousands of participants.
     
  2. Os Trigonum

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    George Will on where things stand today:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...98cfec-477d-11ea-ab15-b5df3261b710_story.html

    Democrats’ carnival of unintended consequences

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    A pile of signs — and an American flag — in a banquet hall on Tuesday, the day after Sen. Amy Klobuchar's Iowa rally in Des Moines. (Brenna Norman/Reuters)
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    George F. Will
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    Feb. 4, 2020 at 3:33 p.m. EST

    The progressive party’s Iowa caucuses were a hilarious parody of progressive governance — ambitious, complex, subtle and a carnival of unintended consequences. The party that promises to fine-tune everything, from the production of wealth to the allocation of health care to the administration of education, produced a fittingly absurd climax to what surely was Iowa’s final strut as a national distraction.

    Like a toddler trailing a security blanket across Iowa, Elizabeth Warren clung to identity politics with a fervor that suggested desperation and defied caricature. Eventual autopsies of her campaign, and perhaps of the Democrats’ presidential hopes, should ponder this promise to Iowans: For the purpose of “restoring integrity and competence to government,” she will have “at least 50% of Cabinet positions filled by women and non binary people,” and a “young trans person” will vet her secretary of education candidates. In the Democrats’ ideological auction, Warren bested Pete Buttigieg, who, in what counts in today’s Democratic Party as Solomonic centrism, promised only that half the members of his Cabinet will have two X chromosomes.

    Four days before Iowa Democrats stumbled into futility, Bernie Sanders revealed to the New York Times the genesis of his socialism. Never mind the gulags, famines, Venezuelas and other wreckages, socialism is justified because the Dodgers decamped from Brooklyn to Los Angeles after the 1957 season when Sanders was 16. The Times says “perhaps no single event has proved more enduring in Mr. Sanders’s consciousness — more viscerally felt in his signature fury toward the one percent.” Well.

    In 1955, the Dodgers, with six future Hall of Famers, won the World Series but had an average attendance of just 13,423, barely better than MLB’s worst-drawing 2019 team (Miami, 10,016). In 1950, St. Louis, the westernmost major-league city, had two teams and Los Angeles had none. In Sanders’s cartoonish understanding of reality, his explanation of everything he finds objectionable — other people’s “greed” — explains the loss of what he still considers his eternal entitlement to the Dodgers being in Brooklyn. Never mind that many of the Dodgers’ fans left Brooklyn, as did today’s senator from Vermont who, by the way, when playing a like-minded rabbi for a film said that he despises “free agency crap”— the unionized players’ hard-won right to negotiate terms of employment with teams of their choice.

    Substituting indignation for information, Sanders’s baseball nostalgia is akin to his claim that the average worker “is not making a nickel more” than 45 years ago. The nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office says that from 1990 to 2016 the average household’s inflation-adjusted income after taxes and government transfers increased 46 percent, and 66 percent for households in the bottom quintile.

    Fortunately, there is something comparatively serious in America’s political future. Super Tuesday, a.k.a. March 3, will allocate 1,357 delegates, 68 percent of the total needed to nominate. They will come mostly from (never mind American Samoa and Democrats abroad) 14 states that include five that the nominee will lose in November (Alabama, Tennessee, Arkansas, Oklahoma, Utah), three that he or she will win (California, Massachusetts, Vermont), five competitive ones (Maine, Minnesota, North Carolina, Virginia, Colorado) and one (Texas) that might be competitive if the nominee is neither Warren nor Sanders.

    If a few early states must initiate the nomination process, they should be unlike Iowa, which has a population just 14 percent larger than in 1960, compared with North Carolina (130 percent larger), Georgia (169 percent), Texas (203 percent), Colorado (228 percent) and Florida (334 percent). Mike Bloomberg, however, is giving a glimpse of another alternative — a national primary, or several regional primaries. His spending — $250 million on television and Internet ads in two months; approximately what Anheuser-Busch has spent advertising beer in the same period — will demonstrate either the steeply declining utility of political dollars or the manageable challenge for ordinary candidates to raise large sums from small donors in a nation that spends $8 billion a year on potato chips.

    Meanwhile, like startled pheasants flushed from an Iowa cornfield, the surviving Democratic aspirants have fluttered away. The silliest candidates have disappeared (remember Beto O’Rourke? didn’t think so), and Iowa has at least clarified the Democrats’ clashing theories: Americans are angry and hankering for more turmoil (Warren, Sanders), or Americans are embarrassed and exhausted by today’s politics of obnoxious noise (everyone but Warren and Sanders).

    Sanders and Warren find billionaires distasteful, and neither they nor their woker-than-thou supporters will graciously accept a rising Bloomberg, so Iowa was just a sample of the Democrats’ coming self-inflicted wounds. President Trump’s smiles usually look strained, like grimaces out of context, but perhaps not today.

     
  3. Astrodome

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    I would guess that some dems would slur him first. He is irrelevant to republicans at this point.
     
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  4. mick fry

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    Well it turns out the low turnout was because Iowans are just racists. Who knew?
     
  5. Os Trigonum

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    she's just speculating there
     
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    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    Black political analysts talking about racism has run amok since Trump's election

    Its part of why i stopped watching msnbc.

    I want to start a thread on this so badly but i don't have enough examples
     
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    Well said bro. I'm hoping this is the start of momentum swing for Pete. I would love for him to win the nomination and get Amy Klobuchar on board for his VP pick.
     
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    Pete absolutely deserves praise for his historic moment and the advancement of opportunity for gay candidates everywhere. He campaigned brilliantly in Iowa with his ground game and the results show.

    However, winning a presidential nomination is a very long and drawn out process. So far Pete's won rallying from behind in an underdog position. Let's see how he performs as a front runner with a big target on his back when the campaigns gets nasty. You know the attacks are coming. Some of his naive supporters don't even know that he's openly gay.

    Like you said, Pete is good at moderate-speak, but he hasn't put forth any real policy plan up for scrutiny like Sanders and Warren have, except for jargon like Medicare for All *If you want it*. Right now, Pete's entire platform is that he's young, charismatic, and a good public speaker with a presidential voice.

    Lastly, what you're asking from the progressive wing today, was asked from the moderates last time around. They made absolutely no concessions and went crashing down with their moderate candidate who was 97% sure to win on election day.

    The party's gains since then have been the result of grassroots progressive movements that ushered in so many new members of the House in 2018. But here we are again being told that everybody has to listen to the moderate because somehow he's the best shot at winning.

    Biden crashed and burned last night. Klobuchar is on life support but refuses to tap out. Pete's viability as a national candidate is still up for debate. In a month's time, Bloomberg will be the moderate's last hope.
     
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    and Bloomberg isn't even a moderate. Dems are doomed
     
  11. mick fry

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    The sad part is there are people of that party taken in by it and the ones that are not don’t call them out for it.
     
  12. SamFisher

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    Waiting for..?

    What's the time for a photon to transit a Planck length..?
     
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  13. ThatBoyNick

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    What is he to you Os?
     
  14. KingCheetah

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    @B-Bob
     
  15. Os Trigonum

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    the Big Gulp nannyism and the extreme gun control position push him WAY over from the center
     
  16. SamFisher

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    Coward
     
  17. B-Bob

    B-Bob "94-year-old self-described dreamer"

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    it’s even shorter than the GARM time constant on a losing night. :eek:
     
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  18. B-Bob

    B-Bob "94-year-old self-described dreamer"

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    eh, not doomed. They never seem to do things the easy way though!
     
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    The problem I have with that is that people are acting like the DNC did not have emails that were leaked that amongst other things showed them being against Bernie. Or that it was an embarrassment for the DNC which led to Wasserman resigning gave a better look into what the DNC wanted, which was a Hiliary nomination. But now people being weary of the incompetent party that gave Trump the election are conspiracy nuts.....yeah. sure.
     
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    Yes, they were biased in 2016 towards the actual Democrat and not the Independent. I bet they also prefer Warren over Bernie in 2020.
     
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