Before the draft I thought that Rose would be the best player out of this class in five years, but I didn't think he would win the ROY this year. So far he's been the best rookie in the league (with all respect to O. J. Mayo and Rudy Fernandez). Rose simply has a star quality about him that very few players have. He took over against the Warrirors last night...simply dominated them in the second half. He is still not a good shooter, but he's been playing to his strength by utilizing his athleticism and getting to the basket. Once this kid develops a reliable outside jumper, he'll be unstoppable. And his assist number will go up once Chicago realizes that they need to get some shooters for Rose to dish out to. Luol Deng' shooting has diminished this year and Ben Gordon is not a catch and shoot player.
...and this is why NBA GMs go gaga over athleticism combined with positional size. When it comes together, it is breathtaking and worth the strikeouts you get with the Antonio Daniels and such.
yep, 25/14/17. looking at basketball reference, since 86-87, a triple double with at least 14's in all 3 categories has been done only 14 times. fat lever has a ridiculous 31/20/16 triple double with 6 steals thrown in there.
don't get me wrong, the upside is amazing. the few highlights show the explosion and speed, which combined with being a 6'6 PG make him damn hard to guard. i just don't attach lebron potential to almost anybody. i'm going to need to see someone with the same ridiculous body and either the passing ability lebron has or a kobe like offensive arsenal (or at least a reasonable facsimile) in place of the passing. the only extended time i've seen him was the bulls against the celtics. obviously, the bulls weren't going to look good in that game, but i was impressed by rose's fearlessness. he wasn't tentative like a rookie, he was going at them. that's what i like about aaron brooks as well. they may not always be successful, but they're not going to concede anything, they're going to force you to make a play to stop them. it's just that brooks isn't 6'6 and explosive.
Yep. People always brush it off as if it isn't important but in many cases size and athleticism is the difference between a star and a superstar...and it can make those who otherwise aren't as skilled become stars. Rose is a stud. Beasley, Mayo, and Love would have been more dominant if they were closer to their projected heights. They all look to be about 2 or 3 inches shorter than we first thought while Rose looks huge for his position.
I have to agree. Rose is a once in a generation type pg, but Lebron is the type of guy that can be the face of an era of 20 years. The league has never seen anyone like him. As far as Rose, he looks incredible. He has the athleticism of a Steve Francis (though a notch below - Steve Francis was far and away the most freakishly athletic point guard in NBA history, bar none), the size and power of Deron Williams without the footspeed questions, and the natural point guard instinct/IQ/leadership of Chris Paul. Hell, shooting 48% and showing off that mid range jumpshot, he looks like he has the shooting of Steve Nash to boot. He basically is a hybrid of the best aspects of every great point guard without the weaknesses. He's a generational type point guard.
I think the problem is the assumption that athleticism is sufficient to being a great player. You need it to be great (in most cases), but simply having it doesn't translate into greatness.
Wow. Look at all the bandwagoners and dreamers. Its ridiculous how you people just seem to make up facts to back up your assumptions about him. Rose is 6'3 and 86kgs. He is not a 6'6 PG as somebody mentioned (and based their whole post around.) He is nowhere near chris paul in terms of Bball IQ and court vision. He is not going to become a rich mans Deron Williams. Deron has 8Kgs on Rose, he is 6'3 and bloody 94 Kgs. Rose may become a better player than Deron, but never in his career will he be better at doing what Deron does. Can you really imagine Rose being as fast and explosive as deron is with an extra 8Kgs on him? He is never going to become as great a shooter as Steve Nash is. Thats just ridiculous, Nash shot 47% from beyond the arc last year and his career 3pt% is 43%
Do we have a Jazz fan amongst us? I hate to break it to you but Rose's rookie numbers as of now are completely blowing Deron's out of the water. It's not even close.
Why don't you just give Rose a bloody chance? Deron Williams is one of my favorite pg's regardless of him being a Jazz but he didn't get to where he is overnight or over a season for that matter. He was very subpar his rookie season and I think he exceeded everybody's expectations regardless of him being a 3rd pick overall. Rose is only 20 and he's not finished developing both physically or mentally. He will get stronger and naturally add more weight as he ages. Deron Williams was never known for his crazy athleticism or explosiveness. He's pretty explosive for a guy of his stature but he ain't got nothin on Rose when it comes to natural athletic ability. If Rose improves his play making ability, court vision and his jumper continues to improve he will be the best PG in the league for many years to come and although the season is young.... he's already a solid rebounder and has far surpassed Deron Williams rookie season and is slightly below Chris Paul's amazing rookie campaign.
About the only thing you got right is that Rose is 6'3 rather than 6'6. We're talking about a player who is in only the 4th bloody week of his rookie season. Your presumptions that he will never be near Paul in terms of IQ and vision and will never shoot as well as Nash are completely unwarranted, considering that he demonstrated this IQ all of last year in college, and that Nash didn't start putting up those stats until post 30. I love Deron Williams, but Rose is blowing his rookie performance out of the water, and your presumption that the latter will "never in his career be better at doing what Deron does" is absurd, unsubstantiated, and laughable at best.
1. I am not a Jazz fan. Deron is the 2nd/3rd/4th Best PG in the league and thats not debatable. 2. I never said Rose won't become a better player than Deron, and he most likely will. 3. You can not look at a players rookie stats, and then look at an established players rookie stats, compare them and say that one is going to be better than the other in the future. 4. I doubt Rose will add any more weight onto his frame, and even if he does he still wont weigh anywhere near 94Kgs. 5. Court vision is the hardest thing to improve in basketball, aside from height, of course. 6. Rose is 20. His basketball IQ is not going to increase. The only thing he can gain now that is close to BBIQ is experience. 7. Nash came into the league shooting 42% on 3 pointers in his rookie season. Rose will NEVER be as good a shooter as Steve Nash. Steve Nash is the best active 3pt shooter in the league, and one of THE BEST pure shooters in the history of the NBA. 8. Deron Williams is a post up PG, that is his mold. Hill skillset, body type, basketball role, and experience dictate that he is a post up PG. Posting up is what he does, and he will go down in history as one of the NBA's best post up PGs. Rose is not a post up PG, because of his blinding speed he will hardly ever use his size for posting up and therefore his post up game wont develop to the level of derons post up game. He has neither the size nor experience to overtake Deron in this department.
I mean, you all watched last seasons playoffs against Utah. Deron williams was giving TMAC trouble by posting him up.
Nah, Rose actually showed his dominance in college much like Wade. Rudy Gay...not so much. I really like Rudy Gay as a player but I a wary of extending him and would prefer trading him for an established player. I would never, ever consider trading Rose for anyone less than LeBron.
