One of these is basically along the same line as what one would predict the guy's number to be, the other, if sustained, would be historically high. U tell me which one has more predictive value. We'll see how these numbers develop.
Not sure your rebounding pers can account for how many rebounds or balls DMO keeps alive by tapping away from opponents that the Rockets eventually get. "Kept alive by" or "tapped away from by" DMO seems to be a new part of the Rockets broadcast in the last 10 games. Eventually, as he figures it out, more of those balls are going to end up in his hands. Those plays PPat just did not get his hands on and they ended up secure rebounds for the other team. Am I the only one noticing this?
You do have to get rid of Patterson if you want Kevin McHale to play D-Mo. The reason McHale is playing D-Mo AT ALL right now is because Morey forced his hand in the matter. Otherwise, he would just make up for losing Morris by playing Patterson and Delfino extra minutes--a horrible choice in some matchups, but those are his (relatively) "veteran guys", and that's how McHale is. Rookies gotta wait their turn... unless a smart GM forces a stubborn coach's hand. Difference is upside. Patterson has reached his. He will never be a good rebounder--he's too short and soft, and too happy with camping on the perimeter. D-Mo is a 7-footer with a high motor; he lacks strength right now because he's young and skinny, but it's easy to see him maturing into a bigger guy who at least rebounds at a solid rate. SSS is your only really valid argument here Carl. And yes, it is true, it's not a big sample. But at the same time, when you actually sit down and watch D-Mo play, he passes the eyeball test with FLYING COLORS. Not only do you believe he can maintain his performance, but he also tempts you to think, there is a lot more potential there waiting to be unlocked. You can't say that about Patterson or Morris... they had neither the physical tools nor the advanced skillset D-Mo possesses, and they were older players to boot. We're better rid of them and forcing McHale to give two higher upside players minutes on the court. And yes, T-Rob has more upside as well. Hell, some scouts even think he can develop a jump shot. If so, he will be a lot like Patterson except more athletic, higher motor, and better in every way.
In the last 7 games with Dmo starting we have play Milwaukee, Orlando, Dallas twice, Golden State, and PHX twice. If you combine their records, counting Dallas and Phoenix twice because we played them twice, those teams are 191-261, or 0.423 win percentage. It's not just a small sample size, it's a bad sample because the scedule has been so easy.
1. Motiejunas has gator arms and weak body, limiting his rebounding potential. 2. Pat has already rebounded better in SAC (but it is early, so we will see how it goes). 3. Motiejunas does flash potential, but apparently failed the coaches' eye test often enough to only average 21.8 minutes as starter.
Good point. Easier to get a good +/- when you play vs weak teams. Also, HOU has had more rest days in this stretch than they did earlier in the season when they had many b2bs.
I thought you liked DMo? The guy is a 22 year old rookie adjusting to a new culture and learning the NBA game. His averages are better than a 3rd year player that we traded away to Sacremento on a per 36 basis. Not sure why you are so upset about it, the team is fine and going to be even better. DD
This this this. As a team we actually looked bad against Mil, Orlando, Dallas the 2nd time, GS, and PHX the first time. That's 5 out of 7 where the team has looked shaky against below .500 competition (Bucks are practically .500). Also the sample size is tremendously small. He's comparing a whole season of 2Pat against just 7 games. Definitely not enough..some of you are reaching.
A rookie getting 21 minutes/game in his first 7 games as a starter under a conservative coach who likes relying on veterans should hardly be considered as having failed the coaches' eye test.
McHale would have played Motiejunas without the Patterson trade, he said so himself. Specifically, McHale told reporters that when management spoke with him about sending DMo down to RGV again in February, he told them not to because he was gonna try to find some minutes for DMo. Morey also said after the deadline that McHale knew about and was on board with the Morris deal but the Patterson deal came around quickly and he couldn't keep the coaches as updated as he wanted. Pretty clear what happened: the Morris deal was the one to clear minutes for Motiejunas. The Pattersin deal was about money and asset management.
Your trolling is getting out of hand. One of them is a third year vet who has played in a more stable organization that really helped with his growth and development as a player. PPat now is a bit different now than he was as a rookie. If you compare PPat and T-Rob's rookie seasons they aren't that much different. They averaged similar mins while PPat scored more points and T-Rob is better at rebounding (You can't blame those numbers on Asik...). PPat shot a higher percentage as a rookie and really dipped as a sophomore. This season he is back on point with what he should be. Not to mention T-Rob is a MUCH better DEFENDER and works really hard when he is on the court. You can see the difference in effort between him and other guys on the team. I don't understand why this is something that you are so against. He's going to take some time, but he could be a really nice player soon enough. In addition, this trade was NOT MADE FOR THIS SEASON!!! IT'S A RISK/REWARD TYPE OF DEAL THAT HOPEFULLY PAYS OFF DOWN THE ROAD! DO YOU UNDERSTAND THIS CONCEPT? OR ARE WE GOING TO HAVE TO BEAT IT INTO YOUR MINUSCULE BRAIN UNTIL YOU GET THE POINT? Will you tell us the real reason of why you hate T-Rob so much?
Guhgree. In his interview D-mo said he thought his defense is why he was allowed to stay in the game more against the suns. He's right. His offense was never the question at all. The guy could easily average 20 a game. His defense has improved steadily every game. He has great court-vision, high bball IQ, and a crazy work ethic. Not really sure how he doesn't at least become a solid starter.
Yep, people are still saying that without the trade, McHale wouldn't be playing DMo. That's not true according to McHale himself. DMo might not be the starter over Patterson. But McHale clearly said that he agreed to move Morris to give DMo the minutes. This whole thing is NOT about Patterson vs Moteijunas. It's about Patterson vs Robinson. I am fine with people preferring Robinson. But don't put DMo into the argument. It's just not true. If you wanted to free up the PF logjam, why would trade one PF for another PF?
Patterson owns one NBA record that Robinson and Motiejunas can never achieve: Fastest guy to lose his athleticism. I have never seen a guy (nagging injuries or not) seem to age 12 years in a season or two the way Patrick did.
You keep saying this without providing any evidence (measurements), and even if it's true, he's still a legit 7 footer and trying to downplay that is ridiculous. A seven footer with relatively short arms is still a 7 footer. He's also playing 18 minutes per game on average, almost garbage time level PT. Less than D-Mo's minutes as a starter. Anyway, it's not about present rebounding performance, that is too close to call. It's about upside, and there D-Mo has Patterson beat. That's because Kevin McHale is a stubborn old fool who overvalues experience and like you (apparently) finds it impossible to look at the big, long term picture.
D-Mo for 3-Mo ! Just the fact that Bill can sneak that in there once or twice a game (quite consistently actually) proves to me that D-Mo is a much better offensive weapon, hence the offensive rating. But the defensive end, as long as he keeps his arms up and doesn't go for pump fakes (like the Phoenix game) then there's more defensive ratings like that to look for ! EXCITED FOR THIS NEW LINEUP !
Just imagine how dominating that lineup will be when we get a semi-competent+ coach who does not put his quick wing on the opposing lumbering forward and his 7-foot center-forward on the opposing quick wing. I fell out of my chair twice when I read McHale was praising Garcia for his ability to "simulate" Marion for D-Mo to practice defense against in preparation for the rematch with DAL. First of all, Garcia with his 60-year-old knees has not been even remotely as quick as Marion is for two years already. Secondly, we crushed DAL so hard with the D-Mo on Dirk + Parsons on Marion matchup, DAL forfeited the game after 6 minutes of it, so WhyTF!?! At this point, I wouldn't be surprised if McHale had his players practice shooting FTs blind-folded, then made them shoot FTs blind-folded in actual games just to show what an innovative coach he could be...
