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Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by choujie, Dec 3, 2003.

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  1. FranchiseBlade

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    These are interesting stats. I think we need to know a little more about how they are compiled though.

    When both Steve and Moochie are in the game, do both of their numbers go towards to PG stats, or do Steve's numbers then apply to SG stats? Do cat's numbers then go toward small forward stats when we have the three guard line-up working?

    I'm curious because by position PG has the worst net production and SG has the best. Yet both Steve and Cat share sg duties along with other Rockets. But it's pretty much only Moochie and Steve at the PG. Also many of the same players on the SG list at times will play SF depending on the lineup.

    The net production of SF is in the middle of the net production.

    Thanks for the link. These are interesting stats.
     
  2. FranchiseBlade

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    I also look at individual floor time statistics, and the two players that seem to make our offense run smoothest as a team while these guys are on the floor judging by these statistics alone are JJ. The rockets are +60 points while he is on the floor and Steve Francis. The Rockets are +45 points while he's on the floor.

    It's odd to look at net PG production at negative, but team production while Francis is in the game is +45.
     
  3. murzin

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    yeah right. look at the individual players:

    http://www.82games.com/0304HOU.HTM

    the most positive contributors turned out to be Wilks and Braggs. now that's some fantastic stats! :eek:

    so let's play Wilks and Braggs 48 minutes every game and we'll be a contender right away! :D
     
  4. acrophobia98

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    How do you interpret this stat? The top winning % of the 5-man unit was:

    Norris-Mobley-Nachbar-Braggs-Ming 100%

    But if you replace Braggs with Taylor, it becomes the worst - 20%.

    Well we should let Braggs keep playing with Yao! :D

    http://www.82games.com/0304HOU2.HTM
     
  5. GRAYsquirrel

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    Surprise surprise...we're the weakest at at 1 and 4.

    Of course, we've known this all along, but these stats so far absolutely confirm this. We need some badly needed repairs at these 2 spots! I just know that a trade is in the making, and I'm willing to bet the kitchen sink that it'll involve the PG and/or the PF position! Let's get it done, we've sucked at the 1 and 4 for far too long!!
     
  6. DaDakota

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    Bookmarked,

    Thanks

    DD
     
  7. SamFisher

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    Even more interesting, to me at least, is the stats from this particular five-man unit:


    Norris-Francis-Mobley-Taylor-Ming Off: 78.0 Def: 106.9 Net: -28.9 W: 2 L: 4 W% 33.3

    Though its a small sample size, it pretty much confirms what we already knew: the 3 guard lineup is an absolute freaking disaster.

    I don't know why Rudy stuck with it, or why JVG has used it...ever.
     
  8. ricerocket

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    It doesn't take a two year old to figure out you have dribbler Hog hog hog and Yao among that bunch. Hog hog hog don't pass to Yao, dribbler runns out the clock, and all four get burned from the outside while Yao becomes the ball boy taking it out of the net and throwing it to one of the other four clowns...
     
  9. Mr. Clutch

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    Yeah, they seem drawn to that lineup. I think they want their best scorers (Francis and Mobley) and a guy to run the PG position (Moochie). But it sucks.
     
  10. sowhat

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    Yes, no enough games yet. However, have you considered double teams factor? In Rox Yao is the only one who consistently gets doubled by opponent teams (Steve only got doubled in one or two games till now, while Cat seldom get doubled). If you add this factor, in addition to that stats, Yao's efficiency looks even better.
     
  11. DearRock

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    Great stuff, I added it to me favorites.

    The SF thing is plain to see. He was killed by two no-names in UTAH so please do not try to make excuses for him. Again last night his no-name opponents where losing him regularly.

    I am thinking that if we were going to have to live by our defense then we should have kept Hawk, Posey and Tmo instead of having Pike and Padgett who could not stop anyone off the dribble. The jump shooting, based on the stats, on the other hand is no better than what we were getting from Tmo, Hawk and Posey and at least they would run more.
     
  12. ricerocket

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    Excellent point and I totally agree...

    Do you get the idea JVG wasn't going inherit Rudy's team at all cost. BTW, I think Posey dumped 19 last night...
     
  13. SamFisher

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    They lost him off of many, many screens and picks.

    Maybe that was his fault, or maybe they should have switched, I don't know.

    But whoever's fault it was, the Rockets were like a junior high team trying to defend picks and screens last night.
     
  14. DearRock

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    Sam, I am just lost to know why Sloan can do that with that bunch and with Karl and John; and Rudy and now JVG cannot do it with our bunch.

    Yao arrived here as a jump shooter and a passer and you mean to tell me that we cannot have 3-5 plays to get Yao some of those face the basket shots, including using the HIGH POST offense. Why can't we do the cuts, the screens and the pick and rolls? Why? Why must SF walk the ball up everytime? I must confess I am surprised at the shot clock breakdown. I would not have thought that we have such a high % of shots between 0-10 sec. Of course high, here, is a relative term.
     
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    I agree 110% about no curls and picks and backdoor plays.

    It drives me crazy! It's not like Van Gundy has a record of being an offensive genius. I don't know why he won't incorporate this.
     
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    Are you kidding me? At the end of the fourth and in OT against Utah last night, Francis repeatedly used a high pick from Yao to lose his man and start his drive to the basket.
     
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    Yao was the difference in OT, not Steve
     
  18. ragingFire

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    It't easy to tell the Jazz players to play within the system.
    1) If they don't, they can't possibly score consistently, they are not talented enough.
    2) Sloan will sit them down.

    It's harder to tell the Rocket players.
    1) Steve and Cat can score 1-1 a lot of time. This strength is also their weakness. It makes them less willing to play within the system (They are trying but they are not there yet).
    2) Jeff can't really sit Steve and Cat down when they screw up. I wish he would but doesn't look like he can or will.

    As far as new offensive plays, I think we have seen many new ones this season.
    Last night, we had at least 3 new ones.
    1) One for Cat running off screen and receive the pass from Steve to get shots around the FT circle. (This is different from the one where a guard run off screen across the FT circle all the way to the other wing)

    2) We set picks in the post but on the high side for Yao and he curled toward the elbow extended, caught and shot a 18ft jump shot.

    3) MoT and Yao set picks at the elbows. (We had this same set before: Yao rolled to the post, the guard used to swing the ball to the wing and feed the post).
    Last night, MoT faded out to top of the FT circle to receive the pass. Yao rolled down the middle to the front of the rim (He did this before but rarely could get the ball because the guard was always too far away). From top of the FT circle MoT can feed Yao easily. Mo also fed Pike running the base line.

    I think we will see more new plays as the season progresses. It's not easy to implement new play every game. Remember Rudy complained about not having time to practice last season?
     
  19. rockHEAD

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    OMG... that is some serious stat stuff! awesome link.
     
  20. SamFisher

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    You're right, JV, the kind of thing I was referring to was screens set for players without the ball for curls & such, as Utah seems to do quite often.

    Most of our picks are set up at the top of the key for the ball handler.
     

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