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Discussion in 'Houston Astros' started by Wulaw Horn, May 20, 2023.

  1. Joe Joe

    Joe Joe Go Stros!
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    Sorry if this is takng away from your point which overall I agree with. I'm just pretty sure I'm not close to the only one thinking Diaz has a special bat. FanGraphs had him on their honorable mentions in their trade value series. I doubt they would have had him there if they thought he was just a Chas McCormick level bat (career not this year).
     
  2. IdStrosfan

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    For the season Yainer is 147 wRC+ vs RHP and 29 wRC+ vs LHP.

    But since the all star break he is 184 wRC+ vs RHP and 56 wRC+ vs LHP.

    Dusty has made no accommodations for who is pitching when setting the lineup so that is not a factor.

    Yainer IS improving vs LHP ( and overall) with more playing time but is still TERRIBLE. If he does not take another step forward the next 6 weeks, then he should notcdtart vs LHP in the playoffs.

    Fortunately there aren't many.

    • Rangers have Montgomery and Heaney (Perez won't start)
    • Orioles have Irvin (who won't start)
    • Both Rays lefties are injured and out.
    • Blue Jays only have Kikuchi
    • Twins have nobody
    • Mariners have nobody.
    Diaz needs to start every game vs RHSP.

    This also shows exactly why the Astros desperately needed a bat to hit RHP at the deadline. Hopefully Singleton can be that guy.
     
  3. rockbox

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    Chas McCormick swinging at a fastball has the highest Run Value per plate appearance of any major league player against any pitch type with a minimum of 50 plate appearance. Altuve against fastballs is 4th in the league. In other words, if Baker ever benches Chas against a pitcher that throws mostly fastballs, we should mutiny. Seager and Freeman swinging at change ups are sandwiched in between.

    https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/lead...on=undefined&team=&min=50&sort=3&sortDir=desc
     
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  4. Wulaw Horn

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    OH not need to apologize at all, and thank you for doing the math. I fundamentally don't believe Yainer is a 1000 ops guy (which he's doing at catcher) because I fundamentally don't believe that of anyone until they've done it at least twice over the course of 1,000 ish AB's. So, like Yordan. Could he be a 900 OPS guy? Yeah. When I say 120 ops+ all I'm doing is being conservative. I'm really really excited about him and I actually was irritated at fan graphs for "only" having him honorable mention. I was one of the guys in the trade thread saying not ever for Robert straight up- which I think some people thought I was nuts for but which, if I could bet on such a thing, I would confidently do so.
     
  5. Wulaw Horn

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    Follow up to add- when I said Yainers true 120 OPS self I was referring to that as a rookie playing part time not some ceiling he had on him as well. I don't buy 1000 ops from him as a catcher. I also don't buy the 600 as a DH. Think it's inbetween but closer to the 1000 guy if I had to pick.
     
  6. Buck Turgidson

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    If he ever finds out what the strike zone is he'll be deadly
     
  7. Wulaw Horn

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    Yep. And guys typically can discover strike zone mastery as they age.
     
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    I hope. A whole bunch of guys do not, and you've never heard of them for that reason.
     
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    Yep. And guys typically can discover strike zone mastery as they age.
    yeah. That’s true too. But if you are going to go ahead and barrel 50% of your balls in play and you don’t swing and miss a ton, I guess that works?
     
  10. Joe Joe

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    Astros have three hitters in the Top 10 in wRC+ in high leverage situations
    Yordan Alvarez HOU .457/.512/1.086 wRC+ 315
    Chas McCormick HOU .458/.533/.917 wRC+279
    Kyle Tucker HOU .436/.521/.692 wRC+ 226
    I will say, I thought that 0.917 was OPS at first instead of slugging for Chas.
     
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  11. Buck Turgidson

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    Tucker's always looked a bit lackadaisical and slackerish, the stats prove it.
     
  12. Wulaw Horn

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    Yeah but now that he wears batting gloves he’s good.
     
  13. Buck Turgidson

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    Gonna need some Glove vs NoGlove career splits.

    Get on it.
     
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    He became unclutch since he added the gloves on June 13th with only .391 /.517/ .609 wRC+ 210 in high leverage situations.
     
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    Maybe but his overall numbers are better. That’s more important to me. Maybe he can wear the gloves the first 3 AB’s and go without gloves close and late his 4th or 5th time up.
     
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    Maybe he needs different gloves. Like they lose their grip a bit or get too sweaty by the 4th/5th at bats?
     
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    I remember springer and tucker swinging at everything at first
     
  18. Buck Turgidson

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    Pitch clock made him wear gloves. Not enough time for his dirt routine.
     
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    I know. It makes me happy. I’m 98% kidding. But I didn’t like the dirt routine.
     
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    I love the zero f**karound Nomar Biggio crap. Get in, get set, go

    Your velcro is still exactly where it was 10 seconds ago.
     

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