not really. . . also . .the weakness in the black communities ideal of marriage DID start in slavery MANY of MARRIED couples were split up and SOLD to different owners their kids were taken from them all of these WERE indignities that were perputrated on black folx If your grandfather learns a lesson teaches your father the lesson who teaches you the lesson . . .. one cannot say the lesson did not come from what was going on back then . . . . Actually I like to put it in term people can understand they do not want to . . or cannot understand the sociological aspect of slavery's legacy so I have taken a different approach [more economic] Poor neighborhoos. .. have poorer schools [less resources etc] black folx are in alot of poor neighborhoods the lack of resources contribute to the lower education POOR PEOPLE [not poor black folx but poor folx] have different priorities. One parent not work is not an option. The work is generally more physically demanding [take all those 'good' parents and look at their jobs . . I bet they ain't digging ditches and physical labor] come home from that YOU ARE TIRED . . . i know one can say they should sacrifice for the child but when u poor you priorities are SHELTER, FOOD, Clothin, and god forbid you have ONE luxury or leisure . . . .. [i.e. why they concentrate on music, sports, etc . . . instead of education . . . you think maybe it is becuase they like to have something like DOWN TIME ] maybe too much down time. . . but so do the socalled 'good' parents. How does Slavery affect to day? Well many of the leading families today .. their fortunes were made generations ago. It is literally like the white kids to day benefit from slavery without actually having did anything It would be like me taking DaDakota's money . .. and killing him then dying . .. My son would have all of DaDa's money . . . .Would he owe DaDa's kid anything?? . . well according to you NO! HE DID NOTHING WRONG! DaDa's kid and grandkids could be affected by MY act .. . my kids and grandkids will be too .. . . my grandkids would owe his grandkids Nothing? If you truly beleive this. . . if ken Lay dies tomorrow. . . his wife and kids should be in the clear. Rocket River
he probably hated it for the exact reason you stated I'm amazed how folx allow stereotypes to control them Whether they following them . . or simply trying to be or act totally against them . . it is still affecting and controlling you I met black folx that will not eat watermelon in front of white folx crazy ain't it I think it is like a woman eating a banana or something it is suggestive. Rocket River
Well pgabriel....how often in your life has thinking you don't have much to take pride in with your ancestors in America really effected your life and made you feel sorry for yourself? how often has it made an black friends you have feel like they are no good because of their ancestry? in addition if I came from a slave background I would take pride in the fact that my ancestors were survivors and fighters. i don't understand where this nebulous negative emotional effect comes from. i guess if you want to look at the negative side of everything then you can find something, but i would tend to look at the things to be proud of which there are many many things to be proud of for black americans. also when you talk about africa and slavery...there really isn't much else to talk about from africa except slavery and tribal warfare. there have been no great empires from africa like there have been in the rest of the world. also, africa in general got screwed over during colonialism and its level of tribalism left it defenseless to itself. also, i hate referring to africa as if it were one homogenous unit or even something near that like europe. africa's nationalism is sprouting and non-existant in most of africa. i mean if students want to learn about africa then they better be ready to be depressed because it isnt a happy and glorious story like it seems some black teachers and scholars attempt to portray it. not to say there isn't a rich history in africa in general, but when you look at africa as a whole it is riddled with seemingly endless civil war, AIDS, starvation, fractured "nations", racism, religious warfare, chaos and so on. i love africa and learning about it, but it simply is not that rosey of a place. to black kids not take pride in the american revolution...i can understand that however i still feel inspired by people and events that have no relation to me or my culture. i look up to guys like malcolm x as an american hero even though he has almost nothing in common with me, however that is just me. also...you should look at how the scottish and irish were treated by the english, but it doesn't effect my life and i don't know why slavery should effect yours. look at yourself today and tell me how much you have in common with a slave ancestor.
I tune you out every time you make references to "black folx". If you could ever make an objective argument without leaning heavily on the issue of racial guilt, perhaps you would have more credibility. Every single one of your arguments reverts back to a black/white "you owe us" "you discriminate" line of thinking. Have you ever stopped to think for one moment that accusing people of discriminating is insulting to them? I continue to refer back to a question that no one has answered. Why do "black folx" put so much confidence in the free market system to select the best basketball and football players, independent of race, when simultaneously, they reject that same free market system when it comes to other employment fields? This is the fundamental inconsistency in their argument that they can not explain. Using discrimination accusations selectively is an argument that lacks integrity.
But we're not talking about fortunes and estates. We are talking about cultural indicators like 2 parent homes, drug use, etc. You have to consider that a lot of those were worsened during the Great Society policies of the '60s and '70s, and have only begun to be reversed recently, with welfare reform and a stronger economy.
You would have to be stupid to exclude blacks from sports. And anyway, its not like sports is so progressive, it is only recently that the NFL started giving black quarterbacks a chance. Did blacks just start learning how to play quarterback?? Its apples and oranges. Anyway, this argument has nothing to do with affirmative action, so why is Trader Jorge trying to start that argument anyway? Its trying to figure out the problems and fix them so all of you need to chill.
Exactly. And the free labor market would never allow for this. Similarly, under this same free labor market, you "would be stupid" to exclude any meaningful contributor to a company. If you have faith in the free labor market, as you do for sports, pgabriel, then the conclusion would be that people who are going to help the company most are not being excluded. This is exactly why the minority argument is flawed.
What if you feel that the best people are being excluded from being a positive contributor to a company? There are stupid people out there.
So you don't believe blacks were being excluded from the quarterback position as recently as the early eighties, or did blacks just start learning how to play quarterback?
Apparently he has tired of parading around his first year MBA student economic claptrap and has moved on to weightier pusuits like race-baiting. Do yourself a favor and let it go, it's only going to get you a "CASE CLOSED" in the end anyway.
Those companies will eventually fail because another one that doesn't exclude them will beat them out in the long run. Meritorcracy works. DD
Well, I think where we disagree (and I'm just assuming here) is that I think it's wrong if a company decides to choose a white candidate, all other things being equal. That's not meritocracy. That's racism.
Unfortunately, all things take time. With the discrimination that was still really prevalent in the 60's it took a while for blacks to start playing QB at high schools. Once they started there, it took a while for them to "bubble up" to major colleges. Blacks have always been able to play QB, unfortunately, unjust prejudices have slowed their entry into pro football.
Oh, I completely agree it is racism, and I think it is wrong. However, I think legislating the problem doesn't work, I think it has to go away because it makes a company weaker, not because congress says it is wrong. DD
You are stealing my words.....you should be happy I am increasing your vocabulary. All praise the innaneness.....his highness....King INNANE !!! WOOT ! DD
