If anyone on the Bulls' roster is going to be moved it's Fizer. Brand is their only mainstay. They would take no less than Francis or Mobley+scrubs in exchange. Remember people, they passed up Stevie to draft this guy. He's the only consistent player on their team. As for other options, I like the idea of bringing in Abdur-Rahim to fill in the 3 spot- which is by far our weakest. Also, if we have the opportunity to land LaFrentz, that would fill a big need and we wouldn't have to worry about the five position for years. I'm not sold on Marc Jackson, and I don't think he'll help much. Jim Jackson will be available much cheaper than Shandon, and will give us depth at SG/SF. Chris Gatling may be tired of moving around, but he's also a possibility. Van Horn isn't the same player as he was before the injury, and I'm skeptical about taking a chance on him like Googs. Resigning Mo shouldn't be a problem. Shandon may be playing his last game as a Rocket this Thursday. Colson's good as gone, and Collier's very expendable. Hopefully Cato will be moved this summer, and we draft a center in the middle of the first like Haywood to fill in for Hakeem's injury time. Dream will play about 55 games at the most. Don't expect too much out of him. ------------------ "Oh No..." -Bill Walton in 97 just before Stockton's buzzer beater
Brent Barry does have a brother who plays with Webber, so he might have the inside scoop there. j ------------------ Some days you just can't get rid of a bomb!
I didn't mean to get the ball rolling on Brand like that. Anything under the sun is possible. He's just a player I've always liked; I'm in Bulls country, so I've seen him play on TV a lot. But we would probably have a better chance at SAR (if we wanted him) or sending SAR to Chicago or Detroit for a higher draft pick. Vancouver/Memphis still needs to get out from under losing a Top 5 pick in this year's draft to Detroit, I believe; that's the way it looks until they make a move. But will picks 13/22/23 and maybe KT (and more, I'm sure) do the trick? I don't know. The point is, as was mentioned in the thread, we'll have all sorts of options. But NO Vin Baker, please. ------------------
I for one wouldn't give up Mobes or Steve for Brand. I think that if CD called Krause right now and offered Steve for Elton, they'd take the deal in a heartbeat. True, they did pass up Steve, but Steve has a better chance of becoming a superstar then Elton. We all know how bad Krause wants a superstar player. ------------------ "norm, would you like to buy an indian scalp ? This deal isn't gonna make or break me Norm, so don't jerk me around." Harry Carey "Norm, if I had a mohawk scalp, I wouldn't be sitting here talking to you." [This message has been edited by gr8-1 (edited April 16, 2001).]
I dont believe that you're lying, but no one knows what webber is doing, probably not even webber, something like this would of already leaked out into the media. ------------------ http://www.democrats.com mgh 1925-2001
No Vin Baker please. We're much better off with Mo T than with Baker. It's funny how teams always think they can improve a player (sometimes they're right). I think this affirms what Clutch and others have noted which is some team(s) out there actually want(s) Cato. Just to get more off-topic, here's a thought: Cato, Walt, #13, perhaps one or both of the other picks for Big Country, Vancouver's pick. Would you do it? ------------------
I'm sure your in-law heard exactly that; but unfortunately for players, you can't always get what you wa-aant. Remember, the headlines a few years ago said that Scottie was going to LA. Play the trade game for NY. Make it work, make it plausible. Sure, send A. Houston back to Detroit, but what does Sacramento get? Does A. Houston want to go to Sacramento? Charlotte's plausible, but if you were Sacramento would you pay bank for PJ Brown who's on the down cycle of his career? Chicago could pair Houston w/ one of its PFs and send the other away... but Allan Houston has to agree to go to Chicago. Seattle will have bank next year, but do they want to spend cap on role players? Do stars like Rice or Houston want to retire on a lottery bound team that probably won't have Payton? Miami... would Sacramento trade Webber for Grant? Would Riley lose face trading Grant or Jones after a big FA summer? Or is it plausible that after Webber goes to Houston, he sees the facilities, he gets hounded by Francis and Mobley... Rudy brags on Francis and makes Webber humor him for a second, is it plausible that Houston will be a viable option? ------------------ he come dancing across the water man
Achebe, I know. This crossed my mind, too. And if Houston knew he was being traded to Detroit, hell, he could just opt out and sign there straight up anyway (yeah, he'd lose a little $$$, but if I knew I was just gonna be a pawn, what's losing 1 million out of, say, a gazillion dollars? I'm sure the Kings' owners are doing everything they can to get something in return, though. So I don't know. Oeilpere's posts about Reef, Lafrentz, et al, point to the Rox organization heading for Plan B. We don't want Mo to walk while farting around for Webber. This player would have known the inside scoop, believe me. But I'm curious as hell as to what deal can be made? Detroit might wind up with two Top 10 picks, if no one is nice to Memphis/Vancouver, so maybe something like that, along with Othella my fella....? I don't know. ------------------
HEB-What if you're Sacramento....would you be more likely to accept a little less in a sign and trade to move Webber out of the conference? I feel Webber will threaten with Houston to try and get to New York...from there it'll depend on whether Sacramento will call his bluff. For kicks, pretend the Rockets win the lottery, would you: a.) Keep it. b.) Trade it to Chicago for Brand c.) Trade it to Vancouver for SAR d.) None of the above (create your own wacky trade) A darkhorse would be Portland....they'd trade Sheed for Webber in a S/T, and talent wise, Sac. couldn't get much more than Sheed. ------------------ "That's been a lifelong dream of mine." -Vince Carter, after laying it in on a breakaway, much to the Vancouver crowd's displeasure. [This message has been edited by NIKEstrad (edited April 16, 2001).]
I dont think Webber is necessarily the second coming for the Rockets. I'd love to see him on the team, but if not, I think the Rockets make a move to improve anyway. I doubt Rudy and CD are the types to put all their eggs in one basket (ala Bulls). You know that somewhere behind it all there is probably a very sound back-up plan if we dont get webber. Besides, how sweet will that be to beat the Knicks in the finals again when webber is there? ------------------ "I didn't like jr. high when I was there. Why would I want to watch it on tv?" P. Mesku's opinion about "Survivor"
DC Rock, Maybe some of this has leaked out. Steve Jones made similar comments on TV not long ago. Not that I respect his opinion; I took it as East Coast arrogance to diss Houston as a "country town" and naturally say Webb was going to NY. But people might be hearing stuff. ------------------
NIKE, if I worked for Sacramento, I think that I would be a bit of a b*stard w/ Webber. Petrie is shrewd... and he knows that he has a pretty good team w/ or w/o Webber. I suspect that the questions will fall around "does this improve my team", "would I sign this player if I had the money", etc. I seriously doubt that he'd take anything back just to settle. Remember, this is a FA signing, so if Petrie doesn't want Thomas or Camby... or he realizes Peja and Christie are a better backcourt than Peja and a $10,000,000.00 Houston, he doesn't have to do crap. He needs a PF, a respectable PG or a backup Center. Hell, perhaps Detroit is the answer. BTW, if I had the #1, I'd let Curry and Diop battle it out. Then I'd either pick Curry to keep or pick him to trade down for Diop. That's assuming that Yao Ming doesn't declare. ------------------ he come dancing across the water man
Dude, if we win the lottery we take Eddy Curry. ------------------ "Oh No..." -Bill Walton in 97 just before Stockton's buzzer beater
I don't buy into any of this gossip about webber going to new york. it just doesn't make any sense for a player who wants to win a championship. in order for him to play in new york it would have to be via sign and trade (allan houston and marcus camby) after the transaction that would totally deplete a team of aging players(fossils), larry johnson, marc jackson, glen rice, and luc longley. that would force webber to play center for the knicks in the rough and rugged eastern conference. personall i think sprewell's game would suffer because he would them become the shooting guard instead of the small forward. he can't dribble with his left, every move he makes is to his right, very streaky jumpshooter and not a spot up shooter. so i don't see webber going to new york unless he's in it for the money, i.e media attention, sponsors, sprewell, etc.... i think his three options this summer would be sac, hou, and orl. ------------------
If indeed Webber is heading to New York, the Rockets should still be able to improve many other aspects of their team and move up in the standings next season. The plan I would pursue in this scenario is to keep the current team intact, pursue a rough and rugged rebounder/defender ie Antonio Davis and utilize the draft picks wisely. The Rockets have a very astute front office in terms of drafting and should be able to re-stock the frontline via the draft and free agency. Btw, if the Rockets win the lottery, I would simply use the draft pick on Eddy Curry or Eddie Griffin not trade it. Both these guys are going to be major studs in the NBA. ------------------ Check out the Best Source for Draft Info Draftsource.net
MManal, So you counsel patience and to take youth with long term potential rather than trading a high pick for a player that could deliver immediately and would still be able to perform at a high level for the next four years minimum? Mango ------------------ Get it right or just don't do it! Resistance is futile....you will be assimilated. [This message has been edited by Mango (edited April 16, 2001).]
Here's a meaningless post of random thoughts: I really can't see him going to NY. The only way is a sign and trade; Webber doesn't want to be a 5, NY would have to give up Camby and most likely Houston. Still.......could Webber be that big of an ass to force the trade so NY gives up virtually nothing but role players? Would Sacramento do this out of fear of getting virtually nothing in return? Houston still seems like the front-runner to me. For a sign and trade here, we've got stuff to offer: Cato (he still has value as a 7 footer and a back-up for Vlade), Walt (Sac could use a 3 [right?]), Mo Taylor (though a down-grade from Webber, he's still pretty damn good). Hell, I don't know. I'm rambling. The off-season will be interesting, to be sure. ------------------ "I have no regrets except that I wasn't up to keep Randy from getting on that plane." --Ozzy Osbourne on guitarist Randy Rhodes
One other thing: I remember Webber saying something to the effect of "I don't want to be here (Sacramento), but I'll play hard and prove myself," upon learning he was being traded to Sacramento. He recognizes they have a good team there, but I imagine his original sentiments still ring true. That said, I think the only thing that will keep him in Sacramento is winning a championship. ------------------ "I have no regrets except that I wasn't up to keep Randy from getting on that plane." --Ozzy Osbourne on guitarist Randy Rhodes
Yes Mango exactly. Might as well take a little extra time and get the formula correct instead of rushing it and being stuck in mediocrity. ------------------ Check out the Best Source for Draft Info Draftsource.net
