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Inside Turmoil Boiling Over? Walker attcks Carr!!!

Discussion in 'Houston Texans' started by Gummi Clutch, Nov 7, 2005.

  1. Rocket River

    Rocket River Member

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    Francis was held to a different standard
    Pretty Boy will not be treated like Francis
    ever
    He will get a million and one chances
    I like him finally getting feisty . . because i know there is
    NO WAY IN HELL he will NOT be here next year
    he *will* get his money . . he *WILL* be th e *FACE* of the texans
    IMO until his contract is up


    Rocket River
     
  2. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    I never said Carr was the problem, calm down. I just don't think any player should be arguing with coaching, especially on this team. And if he wasn't supposed to throw to Bradford, then he should take the criticism.

    Edit: the bottom line is the play didn't work, who's ever fault it was so if Pendry chose to take that moment to criticize Carr, I don't see the problem.

    Again, Pendry was supposed to be tougher on the offense. That was the difference they pointed out between he and Palmer, and their was an article in the Chronicle about Carr accepting that change. Sunday was a perfect time to accept it.
     
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  3. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    Hell I will say it...Carr stinks....he holds the ball too long, makes poor decisions, and is gun shy....


    The team has lost faith in him........he has to go...bring in VY.

    DD
     
  4. msn

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    Do you know how Tom Brady would handle himself after 3 years of complete ineptitude and incompetence on the part of his o-line AND receivers? No, you don't--because he's never been in that position. In the same way, Carr might look like Bret Favre or Tom Brady with regards to "character" were in similar situations to them.
     
  5. JumpMan

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    Steve McKinney on John and Lance was defending the o-line play and blaming a lot of the sacks on Carr, everyone is turning on the guy.
     
  6. Hey Now!

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    isn't bradford going deep part of the scheme? part of the game plan? or was he improvising? if so, then pendry needs to be angry with bradford, not carr. otherwise, he's micromanaging, and carr has been micromanaged enough. pendry needs to slap him on the ass and tell him he appreciated his guts and instincts and for making such a good pass. telling him AJ was open underneath, especially as they're walking off the field, is something that can be done in film sessions, in privacy, where it feels more like education than condemnation.

    if this regime was the least bit competent, carr would have been put in a position to make such a decision years ago. instead, they sent him to slaughter on a weekly basis and have probably ruined the guy beyond repair.
     
  7. ima_drummer2k

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    LOL, Tampa Bay said the same thing about another QB years ago. Oh, let's see....what was his name again? Oh yeah:

    Steve Young
     
  8. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    i think the get rid of Carr posts are extreme as well as he's the next Steve Young posts. We don't know what kind of qb he is because the organiztion is so screwed up right now.
     
  9. ima_drummer2k

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    That's all I'm saying.

    "Getting rid" of Carr and bringing in yet another unknown at QB is such a short sighted solution.
     
  10. HillBoy

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    Part of the problem with the Texans is that the players aren't buying into what the coaches are saying because they have seen that it does not work. If it's that obvious to the fans, think of what it's like for the players. I'm with you in that at some point you have put your best players in a position to win and then trust them do their jobs. If they can't do the job then get rid of them and get someone in here who can. That's exactly what what Bill Parcells said up here last week: that at some point the players have to OWN the process in order for a team to succeed.

    I saw nothing wrong with what Carr did because he threw a perfect pass that caught Jacksonville flat footed. It's not like Bradford had to make a spectacular Sportscenter-type catch because the ball landed in his hands while he was in full stride. A good NFL receiver makes that catch and that's the problem with Bradford, he drops far too many routine catches to be considered a good receiver. I think that Carr will be fine once a new coaching staff and GM actually go out and put some talent around him to give him a fighting chance to succeeed.
     
  11. msn

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    I rarely get to watch the Texans play an entire game, usually just a few downs here and there, but *every* time (and I do mean every! time!) I watch this team Hands Bradford makes another electrifying, exasperating non-catch. He's worse than a consistent, GIDP-ing rally-killer. Sucks.
     
  12. Drewdog

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    When I watched the game I saw this as well, and Carr kind of shook his head and what I thought he said was "I didn't see him" - referring to Andre Johnson being WIDE open in the slot. On the replay you could see it, and AJ would have had a better shot of getting the first down.

    Carr gambled, when all he needed was the first down. Bad decision making - he should take the blame.
     
  13. MadMax

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    ya think?? i don't know.

    this is another damned if you do/damned if you dont thing. texans fans b**** incessantly about how conservative this offense is. how they never throw downfield. here's carr taking a shot with a perfect pass to an open receiver that puts us on the 5 yard line...the guy drops the ball...and it's Carr's fault for throwing it to him?? because he should have thrown it to someone else???

    i don't know.
     
  14. HillBoy

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    Mckinney is an idiot who is trying to divert blame from his own sorry ass! How can it be Carr's fault when gets blindsided because his LT can't stop my Grandmother from rushing the passer or when the ball gets snapped and the DT pushes his center back into his face? Carr picked up 6 more sacks yesterday. What's he supposed to do? If he simply throws the ball away, he gets b****ed out for killing drives. If he stays in the pocket waiting for his receivers to get open he gets sacked. If he drops back more than 3 steps, he gets sacked. If they wind up in an obvious passing down, he gets sacked.

    The OL couldn't block toilet paper in the 4th quarter but that was Carr's fault also you say. Look, I'm not saying that Carr is perfect because he makes his fair share of mistakes out there but to continue to blame him for the stupidity and incompetence of this organization and coaching staff is absurd. THEY are the ones responsible for puttting together this train wreck and THEY will be the ones who will pay with their jobs at the end of the season.

    I watched this same sh*t happen to Dan Pastorini when he was drafted by the Oilers. That poor guy took the most horrendous beating you ever saw from a nonexistent OL that even the opposing players who were sacking him felt sorry for him. It's a miracle he's still able to go to the bathroom by himself. In fact, the parallels between these two (Carr & Pastorini) are eerily similar. It took the Oilers YEARS before they discovered that things work a lot better if you PROTECT your quarterback. Looks like that's a lesson that the Texans never bothered to learn.
     
  15. ima_drummer2k

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    Had Bradford caught the ball, would it still have been a bad decision? It was a perfect throw.

    As far as Carr "gambling" why wouldn't he? We were 1-6 (at the time). What do we have to lose? A playoff spot? Like MM said, people (myself included) are always b****ing about us being too conservative and never going for the jugular. When we finally do, we b**** about that too.
     
  16. reggietodd

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    Yep. Its clear to me and game after game it will become more clear to everyone else. They had the deep snapper on 610 the other day and they asked him who the leader of the team was and he named a few guys, then the interviewer said what about david Carr? and the deep snapper really didn't say anything other than uhhhhh welll yeah I guess... hahaha did you guys hear that interview?

    The team is against Carr. They know he is a fraud. Its becoming more and more clear each game who the problem is. If you don't think so, just keep watching. Give it time.
     
  17. msn

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    If a team is turning on one another, the problem is its coaching.
     
  18. ima_drummer2k

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    I give up. Carr sucks. Trade him.
     
  19. JayZ750

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    Of course it would have been a bad decision. The point is that it requires a perfect throw (check), and a well run route (check) and a above average catch (nope). Yes, Bradford should have caught it, but the chance of it happening was so slim. Get the first down.

    If you would have made a different throw if it was a much more important game, why shouldn't you do it in a lesser game?
     
  20. Rocket River

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    I don't recall Young prospering in Tampa Bay
    So
    from the TAMPA BAY POINT OF VIEW . .they were right
    he needed a fresh start

    Rocket River
     

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