Inside Turmoil Boiling Over? Walker attcks Carr!!!

I'm sure that Carr is getting sick of all this losing being put on his shoulders. The fact is that there isn't a successful quarterback out there that gets consistently sacked six or seven times a game. Many good quarterbacks have seen their careers go down the tubes from those kinds of consistent hits.

 

Now there's a fresh well informed take...

I saw the video and I didn't think it was a big deal. Frankly, I was happy to see some emotion from this team for a change.

 

Go get em' Walker!

 

Am I the only one wondering how "had to be separated" turned into "Walker attacks Carr!!"

kind of a misleading title

lol

 

If that was addressed to me, I was referencing yelling involving Walker and Carr and others on the sideline at the end of the game (I actually got to watch a game--rare event). Couldn't tell who was being berated, but the point was the team is ripping into one another instead of taking responsibility. That smacks of poor leadership.

 

The way I see it, the first down to Johnson would have just been four more opportunities for Carr to get sacked. Carr threw a perfect ball that would have gotten them 1st and goal inside the five. That ball has to be caught.

 

i COMPLETELY disagree. you have to trust your QB. this regime has NEVER trusted carr. if they have him on this tight a leash - sheesh! no wonder the team has regressed. he's your second best offensive player - put the game in his hands and let him use his natural talents to try and win! it's like telling AJ to run out of bounds rather than fighting for 10 extra yards because... i don't know... it might increase the likelihood of there being a penalty. unreal.

if i'm mcnair, and i heard and confirmed this version of the story, i'd leave pendry's ass in florida and then tell dom to kindly remove the shackles and let the guy i'm paying $60M do his job.

what a joke of a regime....

 

Inner turmoil...Good to have some fire under there arse, but c'mon,this isn't going to change anything...It's just frustration...It's good to have the QB be aggressive as you have to take chances...Bradford just sucks...

 

If I was Carr and I threw a perfect pass to Bradford and he dropped it, I wouldn't be happy. I especially wouldn't be happy with the fact that my OC is going to tell me that I should've hit AJ instead when coming off the field. That was all Bradford, he should've caught the ball (swollen hand or not).

Walker needs to keep his unhealthy and overpaid @ss with the rest of the defense and ponder why they stopped playing with five minutes to go. I can understand a veteran like Walker stepping in and putting a young player like Carr in his place if he was disrespecting his coach (which Carr wasn't), but it had nothing to do with Walker and he has his own house to keep in order.

For the first time this season I saw some semblance of a team out there. With AJ stretching the field and the line holding up, the Texans looked like a completely different team. It sucks that they lost, but it was great to see some play execution taking place. I'm pretty fired up for next week's game.

With a couple of good draft picks (LT, TE, LB, SS and WR) the Texans could look like this every game.

 

I gues it's hard for me to make an opinion about it cause I would want to know HOW Pendry was telling Carr that he should have hit AJ. Even the greatest of QBs miss open recievers at times and Carr was going for the big play that everyone complains they don't enough of. He threw a perfect pass, even if it wasn't to the most open player.

If Pendry was down-talking him like he made a boneheaded mistake about it, I would have gotten pissed too if I were Carr. But, if Pendry was just pointing it out to him that AJ was open and Carr backlashed, then Walker had every right to jump in.

Walker needs to worry about his own side of the ball and trying to focus on stopping the other team when it matters. Hell, if it weren't for the tip of Buchannon's finger, they would of let the Browns beat them at the end.

This very well could be a sign that maybe the team is sick of Carr and his antics at times when borderline showing up his teammates. I wouldn't be surprised if some on the team feel like Carr had something to do with Palmer being canned. I think Carr is a good QB that could very well be one of the best in the league if he had the pieces around him. Give him a more stable O-line, a good recieving TE and a 2nd WR; and I think we would see a different QB. But, I wonder how the team really feels about his leadership. I think he could be a good leader but, if the team can't see him as that now, then they will never think that way.

It would be ashame to give up on such a good talent but, if the team doesn't fully respect him as THE QB and leader of the team, then it's time to go another direction. I'm pulling for the guy, but you can't have a whole team thinking the QB is a spoiled brat.

 

Teams have game plans,they have schemes. I'm not ragging on Carr's ability, even the throw, but if the offensive coordinator feels Carr should have thrown that ball to Johnson, who by the way is their best player and was open, then I'm going to side with the coaching on this.

I understand where you are coming from, but Carr nor this team for that matter are not at a point in their development to be going for the gusto blowing off the scheme. Now I'm speculating, none of know what was supposed to happen, but this team has improved under Pendry offensively so I'm going to go with him. I'm sure Bradford caught his for not catching the ball.

 

Either way you look at it, to me its clear that Carr is to blame. If you throw a perfect pass and your receiver drops it, you don't act like a baby and get all upset about it, if you do you are showing your receiver up. YOUR teammate.

If you get sacked and get up and shake your head or act like a baby about it (which he has done more than once) then you are showing up your offensive line. YOUR teammates.

Carr underthrows or overthrows his receivers way more than they drop the ball and you don't see them complaining about it and showing him up. Carr is a spoiled brat, underachieving QB with a horrible throwing motion, he stole money from the Texans and he and for some reason a lot of the fans in Houston like to point the blame on everyone else. He isn't a rookie anymore, he just doesn't have what it takes. I'm so glad that one of his teammates is finally standing up to him and calling him out.

Just watch the way Tom Brady handles himself and you'll see everything that David Carr isn't and will never be.

 

I supported going for it all.... had Carr overthrown Bradford by a mile, and then we saw that he passed up AJ who was wide open, then by all means Carr deserves every bit of the attack.

But, the ball HIT HIM IN THE HANDS in stride... and since we were down a full TD, that play would have put this team in a great position to tie the game. If Carr hits Johnson with the 12 yard gain, I don't know what's going to happen after that... we could simply go another 4 and out.... but I like our chances more from where Bradford SHOULD have made the catch, rather than the AJ 12 yard gain.

Frankly, it could have been Carr's best pass attempt in his career (in terms of accuracy and game-pressure situation).... and he's shown a pretty good touch on his deep pass the last two weeks (Mathis, now Bradford).

 

I will agree that Carr getting mad and throwing up his arms that Bradford dropped that ball is unprofessional. However, when you're losing all season long and you have a chance for a big play and its done in because your receiver dropped a ball that was in his hands, I say that frustration would cause almost anyone to lash out. It was wrong, but I can see why he would get mad.

As for shaking his head after getting sacked and "showing up" his O-Line, he was a good sport about it and didn't say anything publicly about it his first 2 1/2 seasons, he would get up and dust himself off. But after 160+ sacks in 3 1/2 seasons, the O-Line is lucky that Carr isn't going T.O. on them. Carr isn't without his faults, yes he holds the ball too long and yes he doesn't throw the ball away when he should, but give him some consistent protection from his O-Line and it would be a different story (look at yesterday's game).

Once the Texans start winning, that will cure all this bickering and finger-pointing.

 

This team has one win this season. They make mistake after mistake. The play that makes the most sense is going for the gusto. What have they got to lose? Another 4 plays is just another 4 opportunities for a sack and fumble with this group. Carr and this group are at a point where a "scheme" is beyond them. They can't keep anybody off Carr's back. He's frustrated from three years of having turf ground into his eye teeth. Give the kid a break!

Bottom line: He put the ball on the money. And it fell out of Bradford's hands. Carr did everything he could possibly do. Bradford shouldn't even be playing. He has stunk it up ever since he's been here. One good play this week doesn't erase 3 years of stinkers.

Teams have gameplans, schemes, and plays. The downfield receiver is an option on that play. Our gameplans and schemes have gotten us exactly 1 win this year. Pendry ain't the savior. He's a replacement. Carr is one of a handful of decent players we have on this team.

As you can tell, I am sick of all the bologna said about Carr. The problem with this team is the OL totally sucks and the defense can't stop anybody. Carr can't play LT for himself. And he can't play nose tackle either. Gary Walker (bless his heart) needs to park his big ugly mug in the face of his defensive teammates and look himself in the mirror as well. Peyton Manning and Brett Favre would have exactly one win with this same bunch and the same schemes.

CARR AIN'T THE PROBLEM!!!!

 

I am just happy that Carr is showing that he has a pair

I want him fiesty
and mad
and animated

Hell . . he keeps this up . . he may earn my respect
and that 8 mill bonus


Rocket River

 

Here are a couple of my thoughts about Carr.

As far as the media goes, Carr is really good about not placing blame on his O-Line. He should be allowed to slip a dig at his O-Line every couple of weeks. But he holds back for the most part. Seth Wand completely sucked ass yesterday, yet Carr made the comments to the media yesterday that Seth did a good job under the circumstances of not practicing at left tackle for over a month.

2nd, frustration over years of being hammered, whether it is his fault or not, is going to be natural after being sacked. I've seen Tom Brady get after his O-Line after a sacked. And god knows, Peyton Manning gets after all of his guys after a screw up.

After Corey Bradford dropped the ball, Carr simple put his hands on his knees for a minute in sheer disappoint. Perfectly natural reaction. If Pendry was telling him he should have hit AJ instead, I'd snap back at him just like Carr. He gave it his all. He tried to make something happen and executed perfectly. Bradford had a step on his man, and the ball was perfectly thrown. Should have been caught. QB's are going to take a shot at the more difficult big play all the time. Even the great one's like Brett Favre are going to screw up with the decision making.

We also need to keep in mind about the tenous relationships of QB's with most of their Coaches. Be it John Elway and Dan Reeves. Matt Hasselback and Mike Holmgren. Especially in the case of Hasselback, he made the pro bowl a few years ago with Holmgren. Holmgren is a bonafide offensive guru with Super Bowl rings as a testament. Yet, Hasselback still to this day openly professes that he and Holmgren have fundamental diffrences in offensive philosphy. Why the hell does Hasselback even argue with this guy. With Palmer and Pendry on the other hand, I'll just say they don't have the same pedigree as a Holmgren.

Is Carr a bust? No. Tim Couch is a bust. Akili Smith is a bust. Ryan Leaf is a bust. Cade McKnown is a bust. Sorry ass Joey Harrington is a bust. After the 1st half of last season, Carr had a QB rating north of 95 and was on pace for more than 4,000 yards passing. Defenses quickly figured out our uncomplicated passing schemes, our crappy offensive line, and that Andre Johnson should be double teamed all the time. Still Carr finished with 3400 plus yards, a qb rating north of 80, and more touchdowns than INT's. That is very solid production. Also remember that stat line that CBS kept throwing out during the 4th quarters of last year. How Carr's QB Rating jumped to north of 100 during the 4 quarters? He made some good plays to help us have a winning record after 7 games last year.

Take the shackles off this man, get him a decent O-Line, and I think he will be a very productive QB with borderline pro bowl potential. Warren Moon at the age of 30 whatever had some terrible seasons before his break out 1987 campaign. Brett Favre couldn't stop throwing more INT's than touchdowns until 1994 (or maybe 1993). Troy Aikman kept getting pulled for Steve Walsh his first 2 seasons. Drew Bledsoe after his stellar 2nd season had 4 consecutive mediocre seasons after that. Randall Cunnigham fell off the face of the earth before have a robust 1998 season. Elvis Grbac, Trent Green, and Rich Gannon were backups until they hit their late 20's, early 30's, yet went on to become pro bowlers. Steve Young barely did anything until the 1991 season, 6 years after he was drafted. Titan fans were calling for Neil O'Donnell to replace Steve McNair 4 games into the 1999 season (the Titans Super Bowl year). McNair was drafted in 1995.

Texans have bigger problems than the QB position. O-Line, TE, DL, OLB, WR, and DB.

 

Carr is Steve Francis all-over-again.

I see David's tenure here ending unceremoniously just like Franchise's.

You know, it is so ludicrous when folks (here on the BBS or the players and coaches) say oh it was not a big deal. That they were just frustrated or fired up because of the losing. Big LIE!

That is ABSOLUTE BS. Some of those folks (who sell those BS lines) act like they are talking to pre-schoolers. You NEVER want to see such public outburst from your players. Period! The players might say all is well but it never ever will be the same again from here on out for Walker (and his backers on the team) and Carr and his peeps. The innocense has been taken away but I expect them to be pros and play through their "other" issues with each. All week, the players involved will waste our times and say all the right things about this but do not be fooled - we are human beings and the principle that governs this cannot be altered or changed.

It will be interesting to see how things go from here.

 

that is a little too dramatic. i think things operate differently in the nfl. you see things like this happen all the time in the nfl. granted you have your to's and moss's, but hopefully it shouldnt be a big deal.

i personally might not put the blame on carr as much as some of the other people out there. i mean sure he is sucking it up, but im really curious if there has been a successful qb that gets sacked 7 times game. that is a little unreasonable, and those sacks can really get to you. we need a michael vick back there because i dont think any other qb can be successful. just look at last year, the sacks went down and carr's production went up. this year the sacks skyrocketed and carr's production went down the tube. i think it is safe to say our o line plays a huge part in the offensive success of our team.