Inside Account of Gitmo and Extraordinary Rendition

We'll be at "war" perpetually with the way things are going-but war gives no excuses to the excesses of the depraved and moral-less. This is why international parties conceived of the Geneva accords in this first place-to recognize that in war, the most chaotic of times, any decent country must work even harder to uphold the notion of human dignity rather then letting the natural excuses of the weak and the savage override what should be a fundamental guideline for any nation that aspires to be seen as a model of freedom.

 

Drew Brees says this guy is full of crap:

 

Who's Drew Brees?

 

Drew Brees->Pro Bowl Quarterback.

ALSO, political expert, human rights investigator for the UN, and better witness then people who spend time in Gitmo 24/7!

from your very own article->in reply somewhat to basso's scarecrow tactic of "Obama does it too". I don't think there is one liberal here blind enough to applaud him for, well, his slowness in getting Gitmo and Bagram shut down properly, but things are getting better.

 

I would say he is more trustworthy then a person who spends time in gitmo 24/7

 

OH RLY

billy boy knows better

 

First off, Muslims in any prison in the world get to pray 5 times a day. They can pray anywhere. They can even delay prayers and combine prayers if necessary. As long as they're not chained down 24/7, they can pray regardless of what anyone says. You seem to think this is some form of mercy. That speaks to the heart of the problem.

Also, even if for some sick twisted reason there are playstations and wii's, that doesn't change the fact that they are the joysticks way too often.

You don't find it odd at all that you believe a person who was in gitmo (basically a closed facility) less than a quarterback who went on a state-monitored visit?

Have you meant any innocent people who were released from gitmo? Does this not hold any indication for you as to what the conditions are like? That no person can resume their life in a sane way after being released from gitmo?

 

NO I don't find it odd that I have more trust in a man I have heard speak numerous times in interviews and the such (and as come off as honest to me) then a guy I have never heard speak who is defined as a "scholar"(I put that job title on par with homeopathic medicine practitioner).

 

THis is what I mean, you seem to selectively ignore things.

This honest man was walked around by the very people who are being accused of being dishonest, there is a real conflict of interest here.

The second guy is a victim, and his story is compatible with so many others who have left the prison, and so many others who have been critical, and so many others who have visited.

Leaving that aside, if you don't believe the victim then how can you believe the quarter back?

You know that this man is a victim. I too hate everything he preaches and stands for, but that doesn't change my view that he is a victim, he was taken in despite being innocent and released without explanation. Even if you believe that gitmo is a necessary thing, you must feel some compassion for those who go in innocent and come out with actual psychological problems unable to lead a normal life. They, like you, are victims of terrorism and their stark difference in opinion regarding theological matters doesn't change that.

Do you actually believe that someone would end up with these kinds of medical problems if they were praying 5 times a day, sending love letters and playing Xbox all day? Is that a rational position to take?

Come on man. You're a human before anything else. The world always changes, and God forbid one day the extremist maniacs are in control. Do you want to be tortured for being an innocent guy who happens to have conservative right wing values? Would you consider that a fair outcome because some other conservative right winger blew someone up and you couldn't do anythign about it?

As cliche as it sounds, where the F is the humanity dude. You are associating this guy with terrorists and he is clearly not. You are thinking of planes and beheadings, and this guy is innocent. Just grow a pair and say "we f'ed up with this guy but I still believe in gitmo", but don't prance around trying to devalue what makes up the core of this guy's life and dehumanize an innocent man - for what? Because he is a conservative right wing Muslim and you are a conservative right wing Republican?

Do justice to this guy, he's suffered far far more than he ever should have suffered and you know it. You don't believe that people should be tortured just for being conservative right wingers. Why would this be any different?

 

You believe a victim is more honest then someone who isn't a victim? why? To me the opposite is true since the victim has motivation to lie(revenge, anger, etc..).

 

I believe that if this is all you cared about in the post, then we probably won't have a useful exchange of information.

Thanks anyway though.

 

It's called taking pride in ignorance.

NO I don't find it odd that I have more trust in a man I have heard speak numerous times in interviews and the such (and as come off as honest to me) then a guy I have never heard speak who is defined as a "scholar"(I put that job title on par with homeopathic medicine practitioner).

 

What am I ignorant of?

 

That an NFL quarterback who is being lead on a tour of only selected parts of the prison by officials who have a vested interest in presenting it in it's best light holds more weight than a former prisoner of the facility who's story and details of his story has been backed up by officials who were neutral observers from outside agencies, other former prisoners, etc.

That's irrational.

 

Can't win a war this way.....should have learned our lessons from previous wars...selective wars don't work.

If you are going to take prisoners, you either live by the geneva convention or you don't let them out alive.

DD

 

Nice edit, does not change my response though:

Cognitive Dissonance is an uncomfortable feeling caused by holding conflicting ideas simultaneously, e.g. DaDakota's stupid post.

 

For the life of me I can't understand how anybody thinks we can win a war this way.

What have we spent so far? $1,100,000,000,000 on the war. Imagine if we had used that to build schools, hospitals and infrastructure in the middle east. Those people would be loving us right now.

 

Yep, either you give them a hand, or you wipe them out......selective wars do not work......all in, or all out.....

Yep.

DD

 

Truth.

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