Inexperienced, very liberal politician files papers to run for President

mark lives in new york. and he hasn't offered any opinions from the good folks in harlem, just a random cheap shot.

 

The difference is that although "Both presided over civil wars: one [was] ours and historically inevitable, the other theirs and ridiculously evitable." - John Oliver, TDS.

Nearly as preposterous as the idiots who have been comparing GWB to Lincoln. One of them is perhaps the greatest president ever and the other will probably rank as one of the worst once history has a chance to judge in about 15-20 years.

 

So, basso, what do you think of Trader_J's posts about Obama. You cool with it?

I don't recall you criticizing Trader_J for anything he posts here. Fascinating.



D&D. Cold Outside... Colder Here.

 

You must be smoking the same stuff as t_j if you truly believe this. The only similarity between GWB and Lincoln is that they were both Republican and, see the quote above for the rest.

Put down the pipe, crack kills.

 

That's the point though. Senators don't win elections. Generally, their voting records become weapons used against them. Think about John Kerry and the numerous times his voting record got thrown at him.

By running early, there's no record to stick him on. That's why it's easier for a governor to run and why Obama wants to run now.

 

blah blah blah. i can post picture too- got anything to back it up?

 

you haven't been paying attention.

 

We would have loved him and he would have been a Dem... Lincoln didn't go to church and he shared a room with a man at times in his life... There's no way he could get the Republican nomination today.

He talked corn-pone around regular folks and spoke eloquently in court and Congress. You would be on here screaming that he's a two-faced pol who is only out for his personal enrichment. You would call him a hypocrite when he used religious language.

You would call him inexperienced when he ran for President after having only a short time as a Congressman.

You would have made fun of his looks and the way he dressed.

You would have made fun of his upbringing and lack of education. You would deride him as a commoner and simpleton.

You would take his Congressional statements during the Mexican War and try to paint him as anti-American, a pawn of our enemies.

Lincoln did not hunt. This would be used to show he was an elitist, nevermind the other stuff that shows he was bumpkin.

At times, he wrote for newspapers, so here is a definite clue that Lincoln would be a Liberal Secular Progressive with no home in the current Republican Party.

Sad to say, but today's Republican Party would fundamentally disagree with most of the things Lincoln advocated and would not be able to stomach his personal story. No scion he.

And I haven't even mentioned race or the fact that the war Lincoln ran was in the national interest while the Iraq War is a vanity project for a guy who either doesn't have a clue that he's being used or doesn't care.

Finally, even given all that and more, if Lincoln were running today, he'd kick everyone's ass... no finer political mind has ever been produced in this country.

 

Do I even need to bring up Abner Louima?

The police department under Rudy was rampant with racism. You cannot deny that. And Rudy completely overlooked it and even went so far as defending it.

You know that

 

what happened to abner louima was tragic, but that's a far cry from rudy being a racist. and the police department transformed the city under rudy via community policing- you know that as well.

 

You should tell Barry Obama that

 

more like a community police state

 

and you reap the benefits every day from a clean, livable city and booming economy.

 

It has already been done. You should read his book, in which Obama talks openly about his cocain use.

It is hard to believe that Obama and Bush have something in common, but I guess past cocain use among politicians just isn't that rare these days.

 

hey iraq was secular and modern under saddam too. not that much corruption or crime. fairly decent economy. lots of education. almost western. definitely moreso than its neighbors. but we rescued them from that police state.

 

apparently, he may not be BalaCk enough for some:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2089-2546081,00.html

[rquoter]At a meeting of activists in New York last week, the Rev Jesse Jackson, the first black candidate to run for president, declined to endorse Obama. "Our focus right now is not on who's running, because there are a number of allies running," Jackson said.

The Rev Al Sharpton, the fiery New York preacher who joined the Democratic primary race in 2004, said he was considering another presidential run of his own. And Harry Belafonte, the calypso singer who became an influential civil rights activist, said America needed to be "careful" about Obama: "We don't know what he's truly about." . . .

When asked about Obama's likely candidacy, [Sharpton] shrugged: "Right now we're hearing a lot of media razzle-dazzle. I'm not hearing a lot of meat, or a lot of content. I think when the meat hits the fire, we'll find out if it's just fat, or if there's some real meat there." . . .

"He's a young man in many ways to be admired," Belafonte said. "Obviously very bright, speaks very well, cuts a handsome figure. But all of that is just the king's clothes. Who's the king?"[/rquoter]

 

Uh, no. You need to go back and re-read your history. How can you profess to be such a Giuliani fan and a Giuliani police expert if you don't even know what kind of policing was employed? Community policing is the opposite of what he implemented.

Community (or community oriented) policing features the following

"Community policing is a political philosophy in which the police and police department are seen as members of the community, with police officers being part of where they live and work. Cities and counties that subscribe to this philosophy tend to do much more community work than traditional police departments. This often includes having more police officers who "walk the beat" as opposed to driving around in police cars. The basic idea is to create bonds of trust and reliance between police and the public."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_policing

Giuliani & Bratton applied "Zero-tolerance" "Order Maintenence" or "Quality of Life" policing which emphasizes (accordign to the "broken windows" theory) that the police as enforcers, enforcing zero tolerance of lower level crimes in order to set a baseline. This is pretty much the opposite of community policing

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fixing_Broken_Windows



During the 1990's - cities that applied both forms of policing experienced drops in crime, IIRC.

 

Not only that, but the drop in crime in NYC fairly well mimicked the crime drops throughout the nation, especially in big cities.

Freakanomics is a great book that discusses one (controversial) theory about why this happened - and it has nothing to do with police.

 

First, if you are deriding the fact that Obama (his first name is Barack, BTW, not Barry) used cocaine when he was younger, you should consider that our current president did the same, but was too much of a wimp to admit it. In addition, there is a HUGE difference between crack, a substance which is not possible to use "recreationally" and cocaine, which can be.