Inexperienced, very liberal politician files papers to run for President

FranchiseBlade · Jan 22, 2007

Trader_Jorge said:

His parents stated that he attended a Muslim school. That has always been my stance. My point stands. Whether the school was radical or not is subjective and in question. All we know is that was not technically a 'madrassa' school. That tells us nothing, really. So your point is what again?
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It tells us that the school was secular. Do you understand what that word means?

What is wrong with someone going to an Islamic school anyway?

mc mark · Jan 22, 2007

FranchiseBlade said:

What is wrong with someone going to an Islamic school anyway?
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Everyone can see what TJ's implied intention is.

I grew up in the military and went to school on military bases until high school, was raised Baptist and went to church camps. Went to public schools in Texas. No problems.

But a secular, Muslim ELEMENTARY school 40 years ago?

terrorist....

NewYorker · Jan 22, 2007

Batman Jones said:

Why should we believe anything you say when you just got busted for plagiarism and are pretending it didn't happen?
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Who cares? I mean, it's not like he was writing for the Washington Post or something. It's the freakin internet. Sad and pathetic? yeah....if he was trying to build people's esteem then yeah. But if he did just to mess with yall - man, that's classic. I appreciate that stuff.

Although, I think all his views are meant to just rile all of you up. I mean, who can honestly think like that???? It's gotta be a joke

rockbox · Jan 22, 2007

NewYorker said:

Who cares? I mean, it's not like he was writing for the Washington Post or something. It's the freakin internet. Sad and pathetic? yeah....if he was trying to build people's esteem then yeah. But if he did just to mess with yall - man, that's classic. I appreciate that stuff.

Although, I think all his views are meant to just rile all of you up. I mean, who can honestly think like that???? It's gotta be a joke
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Actually I worked with a guy that had the exact same views as Basso. He would send out republican propaganda pieces all day long. What's funny is that he would send these pieces as if they were his original work.

Their views and writing styles were so similar that I thought they were the same person for while.

Rox225 · Jan 23, 2007

Trader_Jorge said:

Do you think Obama has a clean record in terms of his interactions with the ladies? You just wait....

BIMBO ERUPTIONS
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You mean Republicans might try to dig up past indiscretions by an opposing candidate? No, the humanity! Actually, the irony humors me.

Obama's already fessed up to doing drugs in his younger days. What was that, gasp...a candidate being candid about his past. I'll be waiting....

Rox225 · Jan 23, 2007

Trader_Jorge said:

His parents stated that he attended a Muslim school. That has always been my stance. My point stands. Whether the school was radical or not is subjective and in question. All we know is that was not technically a 'madrassa' school. That tells us nothing, really. So your point is what again?
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Actually, the fact that the school was not a 'madrassa' school tells you alot. I'm sure I don't have to tell you the difference between a 'madrassa' and any other ole Muslim school.

But just in case, Madrassa's are responsible for filling millons of young Muslims with hate and violence. They teach the most fundamental form of Islam and believe in the strict interpretation of the Koran.

If you can't see the difference between a school that preaches Wahhabism, and one that teaches a moderate form of Islam then perhaps all those who attended Muslim school are terrorists?

Is Obama a Muslim spy? Or maybe he's just the next coming of the anti-christ?

Oh wait, no...it's just that he's actually a threat to the status quo mockery we call an administration, that's it.

GladiatoRowdy · Jan 23, 2007

Deckard said:

I figured out a while back (not that long ago, really) that it was confusing. rimrocker has become rimster, rimereeno, or The Dude. The original rimmy remains.

D&D. Nicknames are Cool.
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You're going to have to take one back. My son is "The Dude."

Deckard · Jan 23, 2007

andymoon said:

You're going to have to take one back. My son is "The Dude."
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rimster prefers Walter.

D&D. The Dude Abides.

Rockets2K · Jan 23, 2007

andymoon said:

You're going to have to take one back. My son is "The Dude."
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I beg to differ

I am The_Dude

ignore smeggy's Al Snow comments

mc mark · Jan 24, 2007

Just for you TJ. The Senator's office has just emailed out a blistering memo targeting Fox that says the following:

In the past week, many of you have read a now thoroughly-debunked story by Insight Magazine, owned by the Washington Times, which cites unnamed sources close to a political campaign that claim Senator Obama was enrolled for “at least four years” in an Indonesian “Madrassa”. The article says the “sources” believe the Madrassa was “espousing Wahhabism,” a form of radical Islam.

Insight Magazine published these allegations without a single named source, and without doing any independent reporting to confirm or deny the allegations. Fox News quickly parroted the charges, and Fox and Friends host Steve Doocy went so far as to ask, “Why didn’t anybody ever mention that that man right there was raised — spent the first decade of his life, raised by his Muslim father — as a Muslim and was educated in a Madrassa?”

All of the claims about Senator Obama raised in the Insight Magazine piece were thoroughly debunked by CNN, which, instead of relying on unnamed sources, sent a reporter to Obama’s former school in Jakarta to check the facts.

If Doocy or the staff at Fox and Friends had taken [time] to check their facts, or simply made a call to his office, they would have learned that Senator Obama was not educated in a Madrassa, was not raised as a Muslim, and was not raised by his father – an atheist Obama met once in his life before he died.

Later in the day, Fox News host John Gibson again discussed the Insight Magazine story without any attempt to independently confirm the charges.

All of the claims about Senator Obama’s faith and education raised in the Insight Magazine story and repeated on Fox News are false. Senator Obama was raised in a secular household in Indonesia by his stepfather and mother. Obama’s stepfather worked for a U.S. oil company, and sent his stepson to two years of Catholic school, as well as two years of public school. As Obama described it, “Without the money to go to the international school that most expatriate children attended, I went to local Indonesian schools and ran the streets with the children of farmers, servants, tailors, and clerks.” [The Audacity of Hope, p. 274]

To be clear, Senator Obama has never been a Muslim, was not raised a Muslim, and is a committed Christian who attends the United Church of Christ in Chicago. Furthermore, the Indonesian school Obama attended in Jakarta is a public school that is not and never has been a Madrassa.

These malicious, irresponsible charges are precisely the kind of politics the American people have grown tired of, and that Senator Obama is trying to change by focusing on bringing people together to solve our common problems.

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/horsesmouth/
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FranchiseBlade · Jan 24, 2007

TJ is batting nearly .1000 at having everything he posts shown to be wholly inaccurate.

It has been a tough stretch for TJ lately.

A partial list includes him claiming that Saddam broke treaties with the U.S.

Claiming that Berger never stood trial for his documents fiasco

Claiming Obama went to the Madrassa

Claiming that raising the minimum wage would hurt hiring and the economy

etc.

jo mama · Jan 24, 2007

FranchiseBlade said:

TJ is batting nearly .1000 at having everything he posts shown to be wholly inaccurate.

It has been a tough stretch for TJ lately.

A partial list includes him claiming that Saddam broke treaties with the U.S.

Claiming that Berger never stood trial for his documents fiasco

Claiming Obama went to the Madrassa

Claiming that raising the minimum wage would hurt hiring and the economy

etc.
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in addition, one might say that he is immoral because of his position on torture.

mc mark · Jan 25, 2007

Faux News really has become a joke. How anyone can watch it with a straight face is beyond me. Never mind siting it as a reputable news source.

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Fox’s Gibson: CNN Reporter Who Debunked Obama Smear Probably Went To The Same Madrassa

On his radio show this week, Gibson refused to back down. He claimed the CNN reporter who debunked the false report “probably went to the very madrassa” as Obama. Gibson implied that CNN’s report had covered up religious extremism at the school:

GIBSON: The whole point of this story last week, and, you know, Blitzer’s just been on their air with some update on this, right?

HOST: Yeah, he sent a reporter out there.

GIBSON: Yeah, cause they got a reporter in Indonesia, probably went to the very madrassa, now works for CNN. But that reporter went out there, and what did they see when they went to the madrassa where Barack Obama went to school?

HOST: Kids playing volleyball.

GIBSON: Playing volleyball, right. They didn’t see them in any terrorist training camps?

HOST: No.

GIBSON: No. Um, but they probably didn’t show them in their little lessons where they’re bobbing their heads and memorizing the Koran.

HOST: I didn’t see any tape of that, no.

GIBSON: No, no, no, you didn’t see that.

http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/24/gibson-obama/
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FranchiseBlade · Jan 25, 2007

mc mark said:

Faux News really has become a joke. How anyone can watch it with a straight face is beyond me. Never mind siting it as a reputable news source.

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Fox’s Gibson: CNN Reporter Who Debunked Obama Smear Probably Went To The Same Madrassa

On his radio show this week, Gibson refused to back down. He claimed the CNN reporter who debunked the false report “probably went to the very madrassa” as Obama. Gibson implied that CNN’s report had covered up religious extremism at the school:
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yes it is bizarre that all of the "journalists" at Fox took a report without a single named source, an didn't bother to check up on it. Now that someone other journalists have done the investigating that the Fox folks should have done in the first place, they are choosing to jut not believe it.

Fox is humerous in how low their journalistic standards are. It makes it even more funny when they mock the Times.

The sad thing is that CNN has a lot of piss-poor journalism as well, and yet they did their job on this one.

rimrocker · Jan 25, 2007

FranchiseBlade said:

yes it is bizarre that all of the "journalists" at Fox took a report without a single named source, an didn't bother to check up on it. Now that someone other journalists have done the investigating that the Fox folks should have done in the first place, they are choosing to jut not believe it.

Fox is humerous in how low their journalistic standards are. It makes it even more funny when they mock the Times.

The sad thing is that CNN has a lot of piss-poor journalism as well, and yet they did their job on this one.
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It's not bizarre and they didn't just "choose" to not believe it and their low journalistic standards aren't humorous. It's part of their MO and whether something is true or not is not as important as the propaganda value and they are not journalists. They all knew it was untrue from the beginning.

You're giving them way too much credit and leeway with the words you chose... they are literally poisoning our discourse intentionally.

Deckard · Jan 25, 2007

rimrocker said:

It's not bizarre and they didn't just "choose" to not believe it and their low journalistic standards aren't humorous. It's part of their MO and whether something is true or not is not as important as the propaganda value and they are not journalists. They all knew it was untrue from the beginning.

You're giving them way too much credit and leeway with the words you chose... they are literally poisoning our discourse intentionally.
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Not only that, but if CNN was a news organization worth a tinker's continental damn, they'd be hammering Fox News for doing this crap. Just hammering them. Why they aren't exposes just how cowardly they've become. They're too busy being the People Magazine of cable news. A damn shame. I used to have a lot of respect for them (CNN), but that's been gone for quite some time.

D&D. News is More than a Word.

rimrocker · Jan 25, 2007

By the way, here's Obama's speech from today calling for universal health care....

On this January morning of two thousand and seven, more than sixty years after President Truman first issued the call for national health insurance, we find ourselves in the midst of an historic moment on health care. From Maine to California, from business to labor, from Democrats to Republicans, the emergence of new and bold proposals from across the spectrum has effectively ended the debate over whether or not we should have universal health care in this country.

Plans that tinker and halfway measures now belong to yesterday. The President’s latest proposal that does little to bring down cost or guarantee coverage falls into this category. There will be many others offered in the coming campaign, and I am working with experts to develop my own plan as we speak, but let’s make one thing clear right here, right now:

In the 2008 campaign, affordable, universal health care for every single American must not be a question of whether, it must be a question of how. We have the ideas, we have the resources, and we must find the will to pass a plan by the end of the next president’s first term.

I know there’s a cynicism out there about whether this can happen, and there’s reason for it. Every four years, health care plans are offered up in campaigns with great fanfare and promise. But once those campaigns end, the plans collapse under the weight of Washington politics, leaving the rest of America to struggle with skyrocketing costs.

For too long, this debate has been stunted by what I call the smallness of our politics – the idea that there isn’t much we can agree on or do about the major challenges facing our country. And when some try to propose something bold, the interests groups and the partisans treat it like a sporting event, with each side keeping score of who’s up and who’s down, using fear and divisiveness and other cheap tricks to win their argument, even if we lose our solution in the process.

Well we can’t afford another disappointing charade in 2008. It’s not only tiresome, it’s wrong. Wrong when businesses have to layoff one employee because they can’t afford the health care of another. Wrong when a parent cannot take a sick child to the doctor because they cannot afford the bill that comes with it. Wrong when 46 million Americans have no health care at all. In a country that spends more on health care than any other nation on Earth, it’s just wrong.

And yet, in recent years, what’s caught the attention of those who haven’t always been in favor of reform is the realization that this crisis isn’t just morally offensive, it’s economically untenable. For years, the can’t-do crowd has scared the American people into believing that universal health care would mean socialized medicine and burdensome taxes – that we should just stay out of the way and tinker at the margins.

You know the statistics. Family premiums are up by nearly 87% over the last five years, growing five times faster than workers’ wages. Deductibles are up 50%. Co-payments for care and prescriptions are through the roof.

Nearly 11 million Americans who are already insured spent more than a quarter of their salary on health care last year. And over half of all family bankruptcies today are caused by medical bills.

But they say it’s too costly to act.

Almost half of all small businesses no longer offer health care to their workers, and so many others have responded to rising costs by laying off workers or shutting their doors for good. Some of the biggest corporations in America, giants of industry like GM and Ford, are watching foreign competitors based in countries with universal health care run circles around them, with a GM car containing twice as much health care cost as a Japanese car.

But they say it’s too risky to act.

They tell us it’s too expensive to cover the uninsured, but they don’t mention that every time an American without health insurance walks into an emergency room, we pay even more. Our family’s premiums are $922 higher because of the cost of care for the uninsured.

We pay $15 billion more in taxes because of the cost of care for the uninsured. And it’s trapped us in a vicious cycle. As the uninsured cause premiums to rise, more employers drop coverage. As more employers drop coverage, more people become uninsured, and premiums rise even further.

But the skeptics tell us that reform is too costly, too risky, too impossible for America.

Well the skeptics must be living somewhere else. Because when you see what the health care crisis is doing to our families, to our economy, to our country, you realize that caution is what’s costly. Inaction is what’s risky. Doing nothing is what’s impossible when it comes to health care in America.

It’s time to act. This isn’t a problem of money, this is a problem of will. A failure of leadership. We already spend $2.2 trillion a year on health care in this country. My colleague, Senator Ron Wyden, who’s recently developed a bold new health care plan of his own, tells it this way:

For the money Americans spent on health care last year, we could have hired a group of skilled physicians, paid each one of them $200,000 to care for just seven families, and guaranteed every single American quality, affordable health care.

So where’s all that money going? We know that a quarter of it – one out of every four health care dollars – is spent on non-medical costs; mostly bills and paperwork. And we also know that this is completely unnecessary. Almost every other industry in the world has saved billions on these administrative costs by doing it all online. Every transaction you make at a bank now costs them less than a penny. Even at the Veterans Administration, where it used to cost nine dollars to pull up your medical record, new technology means you can call up the same record on the internet for next to nothing.

But because we haven't updated technology in the rest of the health care industry, a single transaction still costs up to twenty-five dollars - not one dime of which goes toward improving the quality of our health care.

This is simply inexcusable, and if we brought our entire health care system online, something everyone from Ted Kennedy to Newt Gingrich believes we should do, we’d already be saving over $600 million a year on health care costs.

The federal government should be leading the way here. If you do business with the federal employee health benefits program, you should move to an electronic claims system. If you are a provider who works with Medicare, you should have to report your patient’s health outcomes, so that we can figure out, on a national level, how to improve health care quality. These are all things experts tell us must be done but aren’t being done. And the federal government should lead.

Another, more controversial area we need to look at is how much of our health care spending is going toward the record-breaking profits earned by the drug and health care industry. It’s perfectly understandable for a corporation to try and make a profit, but when those profits are soaring higher and higher each year while millions lose their coverage and premiums skyrocket, we have a responsibility to ask why.

At a time when businesses are facing increased competition and workers rarely stay with one company throughout their lives, we also have to ask if the employer-based system of health care itself is still the best for providing insurance to all Americans. We have to ask what we can do to provide more Americans with preventative care, which would mean fewer doctor’s visits and less cost down the road. We should make sure that every single child who’s eligible is signed up for the children’s health insurance program, and the federal government should make sure that our states have the money to make that happen. And we have to start looking at some of the interesting ideas on comprehensive reform that are coming out of states like Maine and Illinois and California, to see what we can replicate on a national scale and what will move us toward that goal of universal coverage for all.

But regardless of what combination of policies and proposals get us to this goal, we must reach it. We must act. And we must act boldly. As one health care advocate recently said, “The most expensive course is to do nothing.” But it wasn’t a liberal Democrat or union leader who said this.

It was the president of the very health industry association that funded the “Harry and Louise” ads designed to kill the Clinton health care plan in the early nineties.

The debate in this country over health care has shifted. The support for comprehensive reform that organizations like Families USA have worked so hard to build is now widespread, and the diverse group of business and health industry interests that are part of your Health Care Coverage Coalition is a testament to that success. And so Washington no longer has an excuse for caution. Leaders no longer have a reason to be timid. And America can no longer afford inaction. That’s not who we are – and that’s not the story of our nation’s improbable progress.

Half a century ago, America found itself in the midst of another health care crisis. For millions of elderly Americans, the single greatest cause of poverty and hardship was the crippling cost of health care and the lack of affordable insurance. Two out of every three elderly Americans had annual incomes of less than $1,000, and only one in eight had health insurance.

As health care and hospital costs continued to rise, more and more private insurers simply refused to insure our elderly, believing they were too great of a risk to care for.

The resistance to action was fierce. Proponents of health care reform were opposed by well-financed, well-connected interest groups who spared no expense in telling the American people that these efforts were “dangerous” and “un-American,” “revolutionary” and even “deadly.”

And yet the reformers marched on. They testified before Congress and they took their case to the country and they introduced dozens of different proposals but always, always they stood firm on their goal to provide health care for every American senior. And finally, after years of advocacy and negotiation and plenty of setbacks, President Lyndon Johnson signed the Medicare bill into law on July 30th of 1965.

The signing ceremony was held in Missouri, in a town called Independence, with the first man who was bold enough to issue the call for universal health care – President Harry Truman.

And as he stood with Truman by his side and signed what would become the most successful government program in history – a program that had seemed impossible for so long – President Johnson looked out at the crowd and said, “History shapes men, but it is a necessary faith of leadership that men can help shape history.”

Never forget that we have it within our power to shape history in this country. It is not in our character to sit idly by as victims of fate or circumstance, for we are a people of action and innovation, forever pushing the boundaries of what’s possible.

Now is the time to push those boundaries once more. We have come so far in the debate on health care in this country, but now we must finally answer the call first issued by Truman, advanced by Johnson, and fought for by so many leaders and Americans throughout the last century. The time has come for universal health care in America. And I look forward to working with all of you to meet this challenge in the weeks and months to come. Thank you.
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http://electioncentral.tpmcafe.com/...has_come_for_universal_health_care_in_america

Master Baiter · Jan 25, 2007

Wow, this guy is a rockstar.

gifford1967 · Jan 25, 2007

rimrocker said:

By the way, here's Obama's speech from today calling for universal health care....

http://electioncentral.tpmcafe.com/...has_come_for_universal_health_care_in_america
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This should be its own thread.

I've been skeptical of Obama, but this impresses me as great policy and brilliant politics. The health care crisis has reached a boiling point and the public is ready for a major restructuring of the system. Obama is simultaneously grabbing the healthcare reform brand and hitting Hillary where it hurts by highlighting her own failure on this issue.

Very smart.

hotballa · Jan 25, 2007

Anyone who read Oabam's speech and has knoweldge of Clinton's universal healthcare proposal about a decade ago care to tell us what teh differences are?

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