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Incredible Illegal Immigrant Story

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  1. Brad

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    http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/4209908.html


    'Border baby' boom strains S. Texas
    More illegal immigrants are pouring into the state to give birth


    By JAMES PINKERTON
    Copyright 2006 Houston Chronicle

    RIO GRANDE CITY — First it was a trickle, now it's a flood.

    Rising numbers of undocumented immigrants from Mexico and Central America are streaming into Texas to give birth, straining hospitals and costing taxpayers hundreds of millions of dollars, health officials say.

    Doctors and health officials say they are overwhelmed by both the new arrivals and those immigrant mothers who already are in the state. Even Houston's feeling the pinch. An estimated 70 percent to 80 percent of the 10,587 births at Ben Taub General Hospital and Lyndon B. Johnson General Hospital last year were to undocumented immigrants, administrators say.

    Also feeling the strain is Starr County, an already poor South Texas county that has the region's only taxpayer-supported hospital district.

    Immigrants "want a U.S.-born baby" and know that emergency room staffers don't collect any money up front, said Dr. Mario Rodriguez, an obstetrician in Starr County.

    "The word is out: Come to Starr County and get delivered for free. Why pay $1,000 in Mexico when you can get it for free?" Rodriguez said.

    ''When we are separated only by the distance of the river, it's easy to do," Starr County hospital administrator Thalia Muñoz said. "It's gotten worse, and it's because the economy in Mexico is not good and because we provide all these benefits."

    Unfortunately, doctors say, Starr County isn't alone.

    ''Our little snapshot is duplicated in all the municipalities between here and California," said Tony Falcon, a Rio Grande City physician who was appointed to the U.S.-Mexico Border Health Commission in April. ''What you see here is what is happening in Brownsville, McAllen, El Paso and San Diego."

    He operates a private family clinic and delivers babies at the Starr County hospital. About a third of his deliveries are what he calls "walk-ins" — mothers in labor showing up at the ER.

    ''Obviously, it has a huge impact on patient health and the kind of health care that's provided," Falcon said. "You don't get the kind of prenatal care you should get."


    'Anchor babies'
    Immigration-control advocates regard the U.S.-born infants as "anchor babies" because they give their undocumented parents and relatives a way to petition for citizenship. They estimate that 360,000 of these babies are born in the U.S. every year and warn that the numbers are rising.

    Once parents have an "anchor baby," they become more difficult to deport, said Jack Martin, a spokesman for the Federation for American Immigration Reform, a lobby organization in Washington, D.C.

    ''It's a fairly big factor in complicating the removal of illegal aliens," Martin said. "Illegal aliens know that and, to some extent, we think they're being influenced into having children as soon as they get into the U.S. to complicate their removal."

    Some lawmakers want to begin denying citizenship to babies born to illegal immigrants.

    Birthright citizenship, as it is known, has been in force since the approval of the Constitution's 14th Amendment in 1868. But several bills under consideration in Congress would abolish the longstanding federal policy. Sponsors include U.S. Reps. Ron Paul, R-Lake Jackson, and Nathan Deal, R-Ga.

    In a largely symbolic move, the Michigan House of Representatives voted overwhelmingly on Sept. 8 to end birthright citizenship.

    Undocumented immigrants say they are being attacked unfairly and think that all children born in the U.S. should have equal rights.

    Socorro Gonzalez, an undocumented immigrant who in August gave birth to her fourth child on U.S. soil, said she and her husband aren't trying to take advantage of immigration laws or abuse the health care system.

    ''We're not here to have a child. We are here to work," she said as she cradled her infant son, Orlando Soto.

    Gonzalez, 42, said she moved to South Texas four years ago to join her husband, a cabinet maker. Two of their older children were born at a private midwife's clinic, she said, and two were delivered at taxpayer expense at hospitals in McAllen.

    Gonzalez said the benefits of undocumented immigrants' labor in the U.S. more than compensate for the costs of their medical bills.

    ''I don't see why they should deny a medical service if we're here struggling for this country," she said. ''Because of the help of Mexican workers, whether they want us or not, this country is progressing."

    Still, someone has to pay the bills, and not everyone is happy about that.


    Uncollected medical bills
    Starr County Memorial Hospital had $3.6 million in uncollected medical bills in 2005, up from $1.5 million in 2002. The total when fiscal 2006 ends on Sept. 30 is expected to hit $3.9 million, chief financial officer Rafael Olivarez said. Unpaid bills for the past five years will reach nearly $13 million, he said.

    To make up for the shortfall, Starr County's hospital district is proposing a 25 percent tax hike.

    Already, the U.S. government is pitching in, setting aside $1 billion in Medicaid funds to pay for emergency care received by undocumented migrants over the next four years.

    But Olivarez said getting the reimbursements isn't easy. Federal officials ''told us at a meeting they would pay us about 20 cents on the dollar," he said. "But it's better than nothing."

    No one knows for sure how many undocumented immigrants there are or what they cost the health care system. Most hospitals don't ask whether patients have papers.


    Total cost unknown

    ''It puts them in the position of being border police," said Amanda Engler, a spokeswoman for the Texas Hospital Association in Austin.

    Harris County Hospital District officials say their policy is not to question patients directly about their citizenship.

    ''We do not explicitly ask if our patients are illegal, but we do ask them for proof of Harris County residency," district spokeswoman Shannon Rasp said. "Often citizenship status becomes clearer when billing issues come up."

    Eighty-three percent of the undocumented immigrants receiving in-patient care at the district's hospitals and clinics last year were from Mexico, officials said. Six percent were from El Salvador or Guatemala. And the remaining 11 percent were from such countries as Britain, Canada, Haiti, India, Iran, Iraq, Nigeria and Vietnam.

    ''Using anecdotal information provided us by our staff, statistics from other public hospital systems and our patient demographics, we believe that approximately 70 to 80 percent of our obstetrics patients are undocumented," Rasp said.

    In all, 57,072 patients visited the district's hospitals, clinics and health centers last year, and nearly a fifth were undocumented, Rasp said. The cost of their treatment was $97.3 million, up from $55 million in 2002.

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  2. rodrick_98

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    it's why anchor babies should be denied citizenship
     
  3. r35352

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    It would take a constitutional amendment to do this.

    Even if this were done, it is extremely unlikely that this alone would somehow deter illegal immigration in any way. They come for the jobs and a better way of life. Much of Europe doesn't have automatic birthright citizenship but it still doesn't affect illegal immigration. Instead you'll just have generations upon generations of "illegal immigrants" that have been born and bred in the U.S. that know of no other country but are permanently "illegal foreigners".

    Having generations of "illegal immigrants" that are born and bred in the U.S. might perhaps be as bad or worse than denying citizenship to children of illegal immigrants born in the U.S. Read up on multi-generation German born Turks who were born and bred in Germany but were treated as "foreigners" to see the problems this could cause.
     
  4. DaDakota

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    Just annex Mexico already....
     
  5. halfbreed

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    Why the quotes on the word foreigners?
     
  6. Achilleus

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    Wow, what a dehumanizing term.
     
  7. Deckard

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    Perhaps because they are the children of people from Turkey who have lived in Germany for multiple generations? That's what was in the post. I assume that happens in Germany, and grandchildren, let's say, of migrant Turkish workers, whose grandparents moved to Germany, and have been there since, have been denied citizenship. That's not what is happening in the Valley.

    Some countries that allow automatic citizenship to those born on their soil have recently changed their law to discontinue the practice. Ireland and New Zealand are two examples. I wonder what other countries, besides the US, are left that allow it? Does Canada? Does Mexico?



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  8. Smokey

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    At this point Why Not?

    I'm serious . . . What is a good argument against it?
    [I think the southern Border of Mexico is smaller than the
    Us/Mexico board. . and we can be like the Mexicans and
    be hard on those at their southern border]

    Rocket River
     
  10. Rocket River

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    Is illegal still illegal?

    Rocket River
     
  11. Smokey

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    Off topic since this subject deserves a thread of its own, but I read the illegal cop killer is on a suicide watch. Seriously, who gives a ****? Give him a rope and stool.

    Is Mexico going to come to his defense since he most likely faces death?
     
  12. MadMax

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    Read through this parable Jesus told recently and couldn't help but think of it in this context..remember, it's just a parable..as far as we know it's not a literal story. but the teller of the story gives the truth behind it a wee bit of meaning for me:

    Luke 16:

    19"There was a rich man who was dressed in purple and fine linen and lived in luxury every day. 20At his gate was laid a beggar named Lazarus, covered with sores 21and longing to eat what fell from the rich man's table. Even the dogs came and licked his sores.
    22"The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham's side. The rich man also died and was buried. 23In hell,[c] where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. 24So he called to him, 'Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.'

    25"But Abraham replied, 'Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things, but now he is comforted here and you are in agony. 26And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been fixed, so that those who want to go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone cross over from there to us.'

    27"He answered, 'Then I beg you, father, send Lazarus to my father's house, 28for I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.'

    29"Abraham replied, 'They have Moses and the Prophets; let them listen to them.'

    30" 'No, father Abraham,' he said, 'but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent.'

    31"He said to him, 'If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.' "
     
  13. HayesStreet

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    The kids are born here. They are citizens. I'm sure the haters on the board will disagree but I can't think of a better gift to give a newborn. Deal with it.
     

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