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  1. DaDakota

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    Wow - I guess they feld the decert and threat of 6 times penalties bought them some leverage.

    I still say a deal happens this weekend...too much for both sides to lose to let the courts decide.

    DD
     
    #1921 DaDakota, Nov 26, 2011
  2. cod

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    http://www.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/22748484/33485424

    One thing to note is after the union decertified a lot of the big name players hired Quinn to represent them.
     
    #1922 cod, Nov 26, 2011
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    WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
    Attorney Jeffrey Kessler joined the talks via speaker phone to make 51-49 proposal to league, source says. Stern, Peter Holt shot it down.

    WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
    This happened several hours ago, source says. The two sides left the room, huddled and talks resumed again.

    WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
    The players are clearly trying to feel out how much leverage the filing of federal suits against the NBA have gained them in the process.
     
    #1923 ascaptjack, Nov 26, 2011
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    KBergCBS Ken Berger
    Here is dilemma with system issues. If players keep no rollbacks, increase some max players to 30 pct of cap ...

    KBergCBS Ken Berger
    ... increase qual offers to RFAs, and keep rookie scale/minimums intact, one of two things has to happen .

    KBergCBS Ken Berger
    ... $ paid to players above 50 pct of BRI goes back to owners via escrow (de facto rollback), or percentage has to go up. Or some of both.
     
    #1924 ascaptjack, Nov 26, 2011
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    Chris_Broussard Chris Broussard
    Owners dismayed by players asking for 51% BRI 2nite. Players have wanted more than 50 since disclaiming....

    Chris_Broussard Chris Broussard
    League source says no way deal getting done if players insist on more than 50% BRI.
     
    #1925 ascaptjack, Nov 26, 2011
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    ChrisMannixSI Chris Mannix
    As the night drags on and reports of the BRI split (again) being an issue, the optimism is quickly draining.

    SamAmicoFSO Sam Amico
    NBA GM: "You writers seem little loopy tonight. But not nearly as loopy as union that asks for 51% of BRI."
     
    #1926 ascaptjack, Nov 26, 2011
  7. ascaptjack

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    Players had agreed to 50-50 split. But if max stays same (up for some), rookie/min stays same, no rollbacks, how do they get to 50?
     
    #1927 ascaptjack, Nov 26, 2011
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    KBergCBS Ken Berger
    Easiest way to get owners relief without touching majority of players was always to reduce max contracts. Was never an option for players.

    HowardBeckNYT Howard Beck
    Have confirmed that Kessler, via speakerphone, asked for 51% tonight, as reported by Yahoo and ESPN. Step backwards in negotiations.
     
    #1928 ascaptjack, Nov 26, 2011
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    Thus, they've spent months trying to fit square system peg into round BRI hole. It's never going to fit.
     
    #1929 ascaptjack, Nov 26, 2011
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    SamAmicoFSO Sam Amico
    Same NBA GM: "Jeffrey Kessler is the worst thing that's happened to the NBA since Tim Donaghy. Except Donaghy was way less sneaky."
     
    #1930 ascaptjack, Nov 26, 2011
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    Good grief, really.

    This is the craziest freaking, nonsensical lockout since the airlines union went on strike.
     
    #1931 what, Nov 26, 2011
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    Chris_Broussard Chris Broussard
    League source also said players not getting full midlevel from luxury tax teams..players not asking for full ml, just increase from $3 mill
     
    #1932 ascaptjack, Nov 26, 2011
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    AschNBA Steve Aschburner
    Understand basis of NBA players' new stab at 51% (owners "buy" the system issues they want). But that's unringing a bell, esp in PR game.
     
    #1933 ascaptjack, Nov 26, 2011
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    ChrisMannixSI Chris Mannix
    These labor talks are a roller coaster ride that ultimately have the same ending. An impasse.

    Chris_Broussard Chris Broussard
    Owners' Labor relations committee deflated when told on conference call that players asked for 51% BRI
     
    #1934 ascaptjack, Nov 26, 2011
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    My sense is they are upstairs trying to make enough progress to justify coming back tomorrow. Otherwise, kaboom.
     
    #1935 ascaptjack, Nov 26, 2011
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    51% BRI to players, and owners get the system issues the way they want. Seems fair to me..
     
    #1936 OlajuwonFan81, Nov 26, 2011
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    sheridanhoops Chris Sheridan
    Re 51 pct BRI number: That has been top of owners' 49-51 band for a while. Union has said too hard to reach 51 and realistic max was 50.2.

    sheridanhoops Chris Sheridan
    So they want to get realistic max closer to 51 than 50.2. Each tenth of a percent equals $4 million per year.
     
    #1937 ascaptjack, Nov 26, 2011
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    KBergCBS Ken Berger
    #NBA talks have ended after 15 hours, league official says.

    HowardBeckNYT Howard Beck
    Meeting apparently over. Stay tuned, y'all
     
    #1938 ascaptjack, Nov 26, 2011
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    BREAKING: Tentative agreement reached, according to one of the negotiators. #NBA #lockout
     
    #1939 ascaptjack, Nov 26, 2011
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    We are having a season baby!!! Per Ken Berger.
     
    #1940 gah, Nov 26, 2011
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