In This Thread Every Post Must Contain A Lockout Update

No. I do not like college basketball, because the best players at that age are in the NBA. Plus, I actually believe the NBA system establishes better parity rules than NCAA recruiting does. The difference is that superstars stay with the same NBA team for much longer than they do their school. So in effect, the superstars are rearranging in the NCAA (via leaving school) much more than they are rearranging teams in the NBA.

plus: If the NCAA tournament was best of 7 each round, you would see less parity, because upsets would be more difficult. And if the NBA playoffs was one and out, you'd see more diversification in titles.

 

these updates stink

 

Based on what I understood as the Room Exception it seems that this applies to teams whom renounce their Mid and Bi-annual since they have the cap space to sign players to a better contract. In essence it seems to give a team that might use up its entire cap on one player an extra exception to sign on a lower tier player who could possibly contribute. This is how I interpreted this rule.

 

CDuhonStandTall Chris Duhon
Orlando Magic will accept deal

CBudinger chase budinger
Good morning to all! Let's have a great day!

 

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=aw-wojnarowski_nba_labor_111411

As NBA commissioner David Stern made an unprecedented push to publicly persuade players to accept the league’s latest offer to end the lockout, players had yet to hear of several “B-list” issues that could eventually doom the passage of a vote on both sides of the labor impasse, league sources told Yahoo! Sports on Sunday night.

One of the most prominent issues that has been raised in talks includes the NBA’s desire to cut into the players’ share of the revenue split should owners decide to contract teams over the proposed 10-year deal, sources said.

The owners are offering a 50-50 split of revenue, but the possible elimination of two teams would cause the BRI to be adjusted with a smaller percentage for the players, sources said. The NBA also wants to be able to contract teams without consulting the union.

In a coordinated Twitter push on Sunday, Stern and deputy commissioner Adam Silver were said to be answering questions for fans. In an answer to a question about team contraction, the league officials responded that it “had been discussed,” and that it was not a “complete solution.”

Also, the NBA wants to conduct out-of-season drug testing of players, including testing for some drugs and performance-enhancing substances that could only be done through blood samples. Currently, the NBA does random in-season testing of urine samples for such drugs as mar1juana and cocaine.

If the players were to vote to accept the terms of the owners’ current proposal, the litany of B-list issues – including contraction, drug testing, Developmental League assignments and draft age eligibility – would still have to be agreed upon.

[ Related: Kevin Durant doesn’t support taking NBA owners’ offer ]

There’s a growing belief that Stern doesn’t have the ownership support to pass the very proposal he’s been pushing all weekend, and that owners would ultimately kill this deal with the list of non-negotiable B-list issues the players would oppose. This way, the league can say it worked hard to cut a fairer deal with players, but in the end, the owners will get the draconian ‘reset’ proposal that many of them have wanted all along.

“A lot of teams – more all the time – don’t like the deal on the table,” one high-ranking league official said.

The NBA presented its proposal for publication and pushed Stern for interviews with outlets it traditionally partners with on projects. It’s hard to remember a more tenacious political campaign from Stern to sell an agenda. Stern is pushing for the players to accept the deal, which would lead to a 72-game season starting on Dec. 15.

Union executive director Billy Hunter will meet with team player representatives at 9 a.m. ET Monday in New York, and several player sources believe Hunter will be cautious in pushing the players to accept or reject the owners’ latest offer.

The union doesn’t believe the NBA is willing to accept amendments to the owners’ offer on Monday, something the union’s executive committee and team representatives might be willing to trade with the league in exchange for a full membership vote on the proposal.

 

I bet if the players vote and it fails, nobody (except maybe a few who have publicly spoken) will admit to voting yes.

For that matter, if it barely passes, a lot of guys will say they voted no even if they voted yes.

 

Chris_Broussard Chris Broussard
Kobe was one if first players to support 50-50 split; just a hunch, but good chance he may push players to accept deal & he's got clout.

LScola4 Luis Scola
At this point I believe that all the players should vote. not only the 30 reps.

 

So this is why they are mostly dumbasses.

 

Here is a little more..

 

Chris Duhon just tweeted that the Orlando Magic will accept deal. I assume he is their player rep.

That coming from a player rep on a team that would be in one the most unfavorable situations in the new CBA due to their large payroll and large contracts means something i suppose.

"IF" they ALLOW players to vote on this, it could be a very narrow margin, but I think ultimately it will pass. Knock on freaking wood.

 

Joey Dorsey was the Rockets player rep a couple years ago if that makes any sense.

 

This tells me all I need to know about the position when the stupidest guy on the team has it.

 

However, Lowry is now the Rockets player rep and Kobe and Melo are all going to be representing their respective teams so I think the past few months has opened up that role to more educated and vocal players. Most likely against Hunters wishes.

 

ElPigto answered your question in this thread; and both larsv8 and I answered it in the NYTimes thread.

Remember, though, that the new plan (in most respects that most greatly impact the Magic) isn't being implemented until Year 3, after which Dwight Howard may be gone and Gilbert Arenas will likely be amnesty cut.

I doubt Orlando gets killed under the new CBA unless they don't amnesty cut Arenas.

Keep in mind, though, that Dorsey was a player rep in a year in which player reps had little responsibility other than attending some meetings. THIS was the year to have competent players appointed as reps. I doubt the Rockets' players would have elected a guy like Joey Dorsey (or Jordan Hill, to use a present comparison). Now that Battier is gone, Lowry is as good a guy as any to have as the player rep.

That said, there probably are quite a few player reps who have no business being one and/or were not nearly the most qualified guy on his team to serve.

 

I think Stern is actually doing a good job, he is trying to save the season and get a deal that works for both sides.

My respect meter for him has gone up a ton during this.

DD

 

Same here.

 

My respect meter has always been high for David Stern. He's done nothing to change that here, although he missed an opportunity to improve it in my book, had he taken a little more respectful tone with the union throughout this process.

Despite what many have posted, my respect meter has soared with respect to Derek Fisher. He has done, IMHO, an outstanding job as union president. He's been thrown into the toughtest situation a union president has faced in the modern era and has done the best possible job he could.

That said, Fisher will take a hit in my book if he doesn't adequately describe the realities of their current situation and convince the players to (a) vote on a few minor amendments to the proposal to try to get a final agreement on these issues and (b) as a backup plan in case the league outright rejects the suggested amendments, to vote in favor of the league's proposal so that no more paychecks are missed.

Through all the rhetoric, Fisher needs to realize (and I think that he does) that many players' livelihoods will be irreparably crushed if today's meeting doesn't go well.

 

alanhahn Alan Hahn
RT @LarryCoon: After comparing 11/6 & 11/10 proposals, I disagree that 11/10 is worse for players. Couple new restrictions, but bigger gains

LarryCoon Larry Coon
On league's "no tweaks" stance -- it's equally valid for players to say "This is OUR take-it-or-leave-it. Anything other than a 'yes' and

LarryCoon Larry Coon
...we'll reset our proposal to 57%, file a decertification petition, kill the season, and see you in court." Who do you think blinks

 

Just got a personal Tweet back from Shane Battier on the pulse of todays voting. He replied back -

"I cant call it. Ive lost the pulse of this thing a long time ago."

-This thing is totally a coin flip today depending on what Hunter can get the reps to buy into today, but dont be surprised if Hunter finds a way to turn all the player reps against the deal today.

Sad to know though that the most educated players out there are being totally shunned by the Union and kept out of the loop. Does not boad well for the Decertification that is likely to happen if the players dont get a vote today.

 

Chris_Broussard Chris Broussard
Kobe was one if first players to support 50-50 split; just a hunch, but good chance he may push players to accept deal & he's got clout.

mharpring15 matt harpring
read the NBA proposal- Not only would i vote yes, i would be calling all my friends around the league to do the same

mharpring15 matt harpring
my "gnome high above the alps" is hearing there are some player reps that are going to vote "yes" for their team

Good news?