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Do you guys think the players will accept this proposal?

It doesn't seem too bad, IMO. Way better than the last one and hellava lot better than the "reset" one the NBA will offer later.

 

Looks like Lowry is heading to NY for the meeting.

Klow7 Kyle Lowry
Man I'm gonna need some NyQuil for this redeye tonight!! Def wanna sleep this whole flight

I trust him to make the best and most rational decision.

 

ESPNSteinLine Marc Stein
Sources briefed on decertification movement's plans say no action will be taken Monday. They don't want to be distraction union meeting

 

ESPNSteinLine Marc Stein
Sources close to decert group told #ESPN that, armed w/well over 130 needed signatures, they'll let meeting breathe and plot next move TUES

 

My take-away from this is that union will likely ask league for some additional (hopefully very minor) concessions after meeting tomorrow. If league relents, we may have a deal(subject to additional negotiation of "B-list" issues). If not, then decertification process proceeds.

 

RicBucher Ric Bucher
NBA said via Twitter NBDL clause has never been proposed. Union sources say it was last June and restated as vital issue on Thursday.

 

Ugh, the word "decertification" by itself sends chills down my spine as an NBA fan.

We may not see a season if that happens.

I beg the players to concede and just take the offer.

 

This ish has grown old and tired. Preparing for no season(but I'm ok with that, I think) How u

 

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/7...e-sticking-points-owners-proposal-sources-say

 

ESPNSteinLine Marc Stein
Decertification footnote: There might be various cases against it, but how can anyone say for sure all existing contracts would be voided?

 

Thank the sports gods that the Texans are doing great or else I don't know what I would do.

 

AlexKennedyNBA Alex Kennedy
Source says that executive committee will advise team reps to reject NBA's offer on Monday. Then, NBPA will offer alternate proposal to NBA.

 

chadfordinsider Chad Ford
My question to agents opposing NBA's offer. How is it in the best interest of your current clients to reject the NBA's deal when …

chadfordinsider Chad Ford
1. Your clients all lose money they'll never get back by missing games 2. The league's offer is about to get worse (no, it's not a bluff)

chadfordinsider Chad Ford
3. The changes of winning an anti-trust suit via decertification against the league is slim and finally ...

chadfordinsider Chad Ford
4. The union has already given away $3 billion … the remaining issues only impact a very small # of players. Losing season affects everyone

 

chadfordinsider Chad Ford
I agree league's offer is one-sided & even unfair. But what's your best alternative to this deal? I don't see one

 

Actually, you missed my point. And I think you are wrong. The product they are selling is not the players. It's winning, or more accurately, competitive basketball. The players are just employees the owners use to produce the product. If a team, or the whole league cannot produce competitive basketball, they have no product to sell.

Anyway, my point was, a sport league is not a free market like fast food. It cannot be. It is an artificial system with artificial rules to create an environment for competition. If they changed the rules, some players would not be as valuable as they are now. For example, if they change the size of the ball, or lower the height of the basket, the game would totally change and many stars would become useless. It's an illusion that the players are the most important thing. The fact is, the rules are the most important thing. The rules create the game and make certain kind of players valuable.

Now, the system issues they are bargaining are more like basketball rules than business management principles. They are artificial because they need that to make the competition interesting.

Imagine if a rule of basketball says that the number of players you can put on the floor is proportional to the market size where the team is located. A game between LA and Milwaukee would be like 12 on 3. That wouldn't be very competitive basketball, would it?

The draft, the cap, the lux tax, etc. are all created to make sure the competition is fair regardless of a team's location, just like the rules on the court. It just happens that those system rules also affect distribution of players income.

 

David Stern's final plea to the players.

http://www.nba.com/news/Memo_to_Players_111311_3.pdf

Please just accept the deal!

 

In the current proposal, the fact a tax-payer (wrt exception restrictions) is defined as a team who goes over the tax line as a result of a trade can outweigh everything else in the proposal. The prior proposal did not define a tax-payer, so if the union assumed or was led to believe a different definition, then Yes, the 2nd proposal is worse.

BimaThug
btw: what the value in the new $2.5m Room exception. The 2nd proposal says if you use that you forfeit the mid-level AND the bi-annual??? How is that good for players? Sounds like it allows the Team to say, sorry free agent, we can't negotiate the use of the Mid-level because we intend to forfeit it and and use our Room exception.

 

wonderful. and how exactly do you propose all this winning and competitive basketball without top-level nba players - who are about as rare and scarce as the hope diamond

 

Don't agree. I think you are getting too theoretical. It is like saying movie stars are not the product; the movie is. It is correct to say both are important and sold.

This is wrong by definiton. By definition, not every team can be competitive. So, if an owner is not competitive for a few years, he still has a product to sell. He better learn how to sell it, or fold.

Plus, your statement is not close to being historically accurate. Many bad teams will draft an exciting player and sell that player to the fans with only the hopes of winning -- see Steve Francis, Blake Griffin, etc.

Owners definitely sell highlight reel athletes,,,whether the team is competitive or not....what else would they sell?

 

You like college sports?