In This Thread Every Post Must Contain A Lockout Update

I think the players get overpaid as it is, just accept the deal you fools.

 

The Nba is made up of individual franchises that can be bought and sold.

Agreeing to a standard salary across franchises would be price fixing and would be considered collusion.

Which is illegal


The only way you can have set maximum wages is if their is a union in place.

No union = no salary standards.


players would have to reform the union or get permission from the league to reform the union to agree to any set salary standards.

the would not agree to 200k salaries

 

Casspi18 Omri Casspi
I think it's time for us to give the NBA deal that we like and put the pressure on them. #decertify

 

Casspi18 Omri Casspi
It's sounds like we are the bad guys here after we agreed to 50/50 which means 2.8 billion dollars to the owners in the course of 10 years.

 

You're right about all of this. But when you take it a step beyond where you went, that's when it becomes disastrous for the players, IMO. Like you said, the gulf between the haves and the have-not teams would become exceptionally large, and I think it would become too large for many of the small market teams to survive. I would think somewhere between 5 and 10 teams would be forced to fold because they wouldn't be profitable and they wouldn't be competitive. Obviously this is awful for the owners, but it's bad for the players, too. If that many teams folded then that would be about 100 less job openings for players. Having fewer teams and a larger free agent crop would also drive down the contracts for the "lower class" players because teams would have more legitimate options to turn to if the player they targeted was holding out for more money. Plus there would be no more minimum salary. And since there would also be no more max salary, owners would splooge alot more of their budget on the superstars rather than the rank and file players. I don't think it'll ever come to this as it doesn't really make sense for anyone other than as an empty threat from the owners, but it would be a huge mistake for the players to want anything like that completely open free market.

 

Opticon just b****slapped all of you. It was beautiful...

 

Spoken like a true JEW.

 

He He. So when is the deadline for the players to decide on Sterns latest offer? Anyone?

 

Stern didnt give them a deadline iirc but they meet Monday and we should know something by then, Tuesday at the latest.

 

Isn't CBA against raising the max salary to prevent a larger income disparity between top players and average players?

Voiding contracts is not what the players want. The disparity between the current players receiving the max and the average NBA player would widen. Their would be a bidding war for the top guys. With most of the money spent on the top guys, there would be peanuts left for the roleplayers. They would get less than the MLE.

 

BUt the league could create thei r own system with a hard cap.

Right?

DD

 

Man, I sure am glad someone like Opticon is in this thread to put a smackdown on the trolls. Say what you will about owners having all leverage, if there ain't players, there ain't no NBA. Love my rockets but I would never watch a bunch of replacement players. It's the most individual sport which is why the players, if they are smart, will remains the highest paid in all of professional sports.

That being smart part of things though...

 

DD, that's a good point.

I suppose they could create their own hard cap system. If the players don't agree to it, the lawyers for the former union would file anti-trust case. During the legal battle, the owners would not need to lock out the players, since the players aren't willing to play under the new system.

After another month, the season would be lost and the players would not get paid at all. They would be forced to stop the anti-trust case or recertify.

My previous bidding war theory goes down the drain. Thanks, DD. :grin:

 

Exactly, they create their own system, end the lockout, the players can choose to play or not, if they choose to strike or not play, the owners could simply reset with players that would play.

This is like the NFL strike in the 90s where they had replacement players, the real players started to trickle back and then it became a torrent.

The more and more I think about it, the owners are set, they either get their way, or they go for broke and break the union.

DD

 

The players would be idiots to decertify.
Unfortunately, they ARE idiots.

 

money hungry uneducated (for the most part) divas are going to destroy what many have worked hard over the years to build for them.

The owners are not in this business to lose money, why do they players think they deserve more than 50% when in the end they are employees and inheriting ZERO of the risk involved with owning any business? Pathetic.

The NBA needs to only accept college grads that have taken basic business classes so these fools can feel slightly guilty about their unjustified paychecks.

 

Voiding contracts and doing a System Reboot involving everyone being a FA would be the deathblow of the dead weight teams. Contraction would occur. My guess is at least 4 teams would die in a System Reboot. The owners will in no way be in agreement on such an apocalyptic event. It would be a huge win for the Haves.

 

powellshaun Shaun Powell
Source told me if full membership votes on the owner's deal, NBA would open for business by Wednesday.

powellshaun Shaun Powell
Source added that the rank-and-file want to play, uninterested in decertifying or additional negotiations.

 

ZachLowe_SI Zach Lowe
Anonymous source at table tells @briancmahoney many around the league "can't believe" players would reject deal:

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/storie...ME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2011-11-11-20-08-39

 

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/12/s...ayers-weigh-sterns-latest-ultimatum.html?_r=1