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A list of all 30 NBPA team reps if anyone is curious.

http://www.nbpa.org/player-representatives

Atlanta-Zaza Pachulia
Boston-Paul Pierce
Charlotte-Matt Carroll
Chicago-Carlos Boozer
Cleveland-Anthony Parker
Dallas-Jason Terry
Denver-Arron Afflalo
Detroit-Austin Daye
Golden State-Charlie Bell
Houston-Kyle Lowry
Indiana-Danny Granger
LAC-Blake Griffin
LAL-Shannon Brown
Memphis-Sam Young
Miami-James Jones
Milwaukee-Corey Maggette
Minnesota-Anthony Tolliver
New Jersey-Jordan Farmar
New York-Amare Stoudemire
Oklahoma-Kevin Durant
Orlando-Chris Duhon
Philadelphia-Jason Kapono
Phoenix-Jared Dudley
Portland-Marcus Camby
Sacramento-Samuel Dalembert
San Antonio-Matt Bonner
Toronto-Jerryd Bayless
Utah-Ronnie Price
Washington-Mo Evans

A bunch of rank and file players.

Need 16 of them to vote yes for a season.

#941 ascaptjack, Nov 11, 2011

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ESPNSteinLine Marc Stein
Ominous warning from source on players' side expecting NBA offer to be rejected: "Nothing was addressed. It's same offer as it was before."

daldridgetnt David Aldridge
League was diabolical tonight--& I use that word w/respect. Dangling 72 game season is ultimate tease for players desperate to play.

daldridgetnt David Aldridge
Would not want to be a player rep over the next 72 hours. They will be pushed and pulled in all directions--take it, reject it..tough call

daldridgetnt David Aldridge
Will not surprise me if decert/disclaimer is filed before Mon meeting. Just starts clock a little earlier; reps can still approve proposal.

LarryCoon Larry Coon
Sounds like plan was to start the season on Dec 15 whether the players answered tonight or next Tuesday, so maybe players just wanted

LarryCoon Larry Coon
...to take their time to mull it over.

#942 ascaptjack, Nov 11, 2011
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http://ken-berger.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/11838893/33236648

NEW YORK -- The NBA made its last offer that will contain a 50 percent revenue share for the players Thursday night, and commissioner David Stern shifted the pressure to the union by tantalizingly attaching the possibility of a 72-game season starting Dec. 15.

"There comes a time when you have to be through negotiating, and we are," Stern said.

The players, expressing disappointment that the league did not respond with more system compromises after they'd signaled their willingness to accept a 50-50 revenue split, will bring the proposal to their player reps Monday or Tuesday to see if they will recommend the proposal to the union membership for a vote.

"The idea ... is to sit down with them and say, ‘You sent us out to get something, here’s what we’re coming back with,'" said Billy Hunter, executive director of the National Basketball Players Association. "'Now let’s sit down and decide what our next option is, what are we going to do.'"

The players' options are few, and none of them particularly appealing. They can put the deal to a vote, and if passed, they would be locked into a proposal that is an unmitigated victory for the owners -- one that shifts $3 billion over 10 years from the players to the owners and also dramatically restricts the rules governing team payrolls, player contracts and player movement. If the player reps tell the union leadership they want to reject the proposal, then Stern said the league's negotiating position will revert to a 47 percent share of revenues for the players along with a hard team salary cap and rollbacks of existing contracts -- the so-called "reset" proposal whose introduction at 5 p.m. Wednesday was delayed while the two parties bargained for 23 hours over the past two days.

Another outcome likely will begin to unfold Friday before the union even decides whether to accept the proposal -- and would continue to progress regardless of the outcome of next week's player rep meeting: Agents dissatisfied with the deal the union has negotiated and the intransigence of league negotiators already have more than 200 signatures on decertification petitions which are ready to be submitted to the National Labor Relations Board requesting a vote to dissolve the union, according to a person familiar with the plans.

Such a move would threaten to torpedo whatever support there is among the union membership to approve the owners' offer, and if it resulted in the players deciding not to vote on the proposal or voting it down, could throw the 2 1-2 year negotiations into the chaos of an anti-trust lawsuit -- virtually guaranteeing that the 2011-12 season would be lost.

If the player reps recommend that the rank-and-file vote on the owners' offer, that process could be accomplished within a matter of days -- as could approval by the owners' Board of Governors. A decertification vote would not be scheduled by the NLRB for about 45-60 days -- if the agency authorizes the vote at all. Typically, it does not do so when there is a pending unfair labor practices charge filed by employees.

If the owners' proposal passed, a new 72-game schedule would be drawn up -- deputy commissioner Adam Silver said those logistics already have been handled -- and a breakneck, one- or two-week free agency period would ensue along with shortened training camps and a limited preseason schedule.

"I'm hoping personally that's where we are now and we can get back to playing," Silver said. "But I understand from the union's standpoint it's a difficult pill to swallow right now. But that, once again, over time, we'll be proven right and this will be a better league for the players, the teams and the fans."
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NO SEASON

The owners know the players were resigning to accepting a 50% BRI deal, but now they made tweaks to the system knowing the players will reject it.

Therefore, the owners can offer the numbers they always want, esp. 47% BRI, KNOWING also the players will reject that.

The owners are just straight up yo-yoing the players and humiliating them in the public eye.

I'm pretty sure there won't be a season.

#944 t_mac1, Nov 11, 2011
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t_mac1 said: ↑

NO SEASON

The owners know the players were resigning to accepting a 50% BRI deal, but now they made tweaks to the system knowing the players will reject it.

Therefore, the owners can offer the numbers they always want, esp. 47% BRI, KNOWING also the players will reject that.

The owners are just straight up yo-yoing the players and humiliating them in the public eye.

I'm pretty sure there won't be a season.
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You only need 16 votes to pass this deal.

You really think the players want to miss some game checks?

If Stern is right and a 72 game season would start Dec. 15th, the players would miss a total of 1 game check.

I think hands will be shaked on Tuesday.

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t_mac1 said: ↑

NO SEASON

The owners know the players were resigning to accepting a 50% BRI deal, but now they made tweaks to the system knowing the players will reject it.

Therefore, the owners can offer the numbers they always want, esp. 47% BRI, KNOWING also the players will reject that.

The owners are just straight up yo-yoing the players and humiliating them in the public eye.

I'm pretty sure there won't be a season.
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The owners conceded on some stuff as well.

SeanDeveney Sean Deveney

Source says league conceded on sign-and-trades for taxpayers. That's a big one for the union to have.
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So the Carmelo rule is no more.

Another thing to note.

WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski

As one Eastern Conference executive just texted about 72 game sked: "Instead of (the players) missing two checks, they will only miss one."
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Chris_Broussard Chris Broussard

Owners' new offer includes new $2.5 mill exception.Also, will raise minimum payroll for teams (used to b 75% of cap, will now b much higher)
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LarryCoon Larry Coon
Not confirmed, but looks like league may have conceded it. RT @superior89indo: Anything on the sign and trade?

NYPost_Berman Marc Berman
Lost in this is Stern has already canceled first two weeks of December without ever announcing it.

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WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
NBPA player rep on union leadership: "Why do they keep scrambling us to New York for these meetings when they never listen to us?"

WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
Player rep (cont.): "We told them not to go past 53 percent. They did. We told them we're not taking this deal. Why waste our time?"

EricPincus Eric Pincus
if accurate - new $2.5 mil exception for teams under cap, once they hit cap - that's a big one for rank and file

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WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
Another veteran role player texts: "How quickly does Billy (Hunter) get fired after we sign this bull----?"

WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
Who knows where players heads will be by Monday, but there's a lot of frustration and anger with union leadership tonight.

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sam_amick Sam Amick
Source says it was Billy Hunter's idea to wait until next week for player reps to meet in NY. Even though the exec committee is in NY now.

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This alarmed me: when I asked what was changed in the revised proposal, union source replies, "It may have gotten worse. It's debatable."

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ChrisMannixSI Chris Mannix
Hearing a lot of the same reaction @WojYahooNBA is. Three players I talked to tonight say if deal looks like last one, they don't want it.

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ascaptjack said: ↑

ChrisMannixSI Chris Mannix
Hearing a lot of the same reaction @WojYahooNBA is. Three players I talked to tonight say if deal looks like last one, they don't want it.
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The players need to smarten up already! The deal is only going to get worse.

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If the players have any common sense at all, they accept this deal and Billy Hunter is gone immediately.

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The players need to smarten up already! The deal is only going to get worse.
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this is what they just dont seem to comprehend... its not getting any better than this, so take the ****ing deal. im so sick of this ****

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this is what they just dont seem to comprehend... its not getting any better than this, so take the ****ing deal. im so sick of this ****
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They think if they hold out longer the owners will bend again.

The owners have bent a little but sooner or later the owners WILL go through with their threats. I'm willing to bet their threat of dropping to 47% + hard-cap is not just a threat.

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The Players should have never let Hunter and Fisher go below 53%. This would set the tone for "system issues" in the players favor as well. Now they are getting screwed both ways.

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is there going to be another ESPN The Decision to finalize all this once and for all?

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NYPost_Berman Marc Berman
Lost in this is Stern has already canceled first two weeks of December without ever announcing it.
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Stern didn't cancel it, the calendar did. It's 11/11/11 today, will take a few more day for players to answer. Realistically need 1 more month at least (1) for sides to document the deal, (2) run a fast free agent signing period, and (3) run training camp/preseason.

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Billy Hunter "They didn't meet us all the way"

Well no *****. Negotiations are supposed to be met halfway you greedy dimwit.

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