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WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski

WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski

 

What do you see happening if a deal doesn’t get done tomorrow? That the owners will say, “Just kidding!” about their threat?

Maybe the owners will throw the players a bone on a few system issues and a deal gets done tomorrow. I just see it getting real ugly otherwise. Maybe Kobe is one of the stupids too for predicting a “nuclear winter” if things don’t get done soon.

 

ESPNSteinLine Marc Stein
Sources say player reps didn't take hands-raised vote or ballot vote TUES meeting, but they reached an "everyone agrees" consensus (CONT)
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ESPNSteinLine Marc Stein
(CONT) consensus to authorize Hunter and Fisher to accept 50/50 BRI split for first time in talks if league makes some system concessions
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ESPNSteinLine Marc Stein
Sources also say player reps told TUES that NBA, at present, expects 16 teams would ratify proposal as laid out SAT and that 13 woudl oppose
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ESPNSteinLine Marc Stein
RT @EricPincus: @ESPNSteinLine and 30th being the Hornets I take it (BINGO. PLAYERS TOLD COUNT RISES TO 17-13 INCLUDING NBA-OWNED HORNETS)
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Owners have threatened to and have actually pulled back from 50% to 47% a couple times already. Stern also said several times since summer that once games are lost, offers will get worse. This is also not the first time that the league has leaked stories about "some hardliners don't even want to do the deal on the table now and would be happy to blow it up."

Nothing magical happens tomorrow, the owners will do what's best for the owners today, tomorrow or after tomorrow. At 5 pm tomorrow, they may publicly declare their offer to be 47% and not 50% anymore. Doesn't mean that they won't take the current 50% proposal if the players accepts it Thursday morning or next Monday instead of by the artificial deadline.

And also u already exposed urself to be a stupids because u believe and luv Kobe.

 

The same thing happens that has happened before time and time again. They walk out of the negotiations in disgust with one another, Stern says more games will be cancelled and they dont talk for another 8 days.

The players have publicly called the owners bluff. Were they bluffing?? Of course they were. Will they follow through with their childish threats????.... Pride has a way of making grown men make dumb decisions.

If Stern doesnt get the ok to bridge the gap tommorrow and get a deal tommorrow then this thing gets even more nasty. Can I say they will loose the season if no deal comes to fruition tommorrow?? No, but It would be tough to see them wanting to get back to the table and negotiate in time to save the season.

At this point its safe for us fans to ASSUME Idiocrocy will rule here once again and its a longshot for a season to be salvaged from this mess. I sure hope Im wrong though.

 

WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
Fact Stern needs to go on his TV networks two straight nights to beg players to take deal doesn't bode well for owners giving much on system

daldridgetnt David Aldridge
Union, league talking like diplomats do when trying to send messages thru media. Only ?: will hard line owners give anything on system?

sam_amick Sam Amick
Major takeaway from today, both from players press conference and key convo I had with a source who has talked to ownership side recently...

sam_amick Sam Amick
Players are showing serious willingness to give more on BRI in order for system exchanges. Shred of optimism? Source says owners will..

sam_amick Sam Amick
...likely give on system so long as they get more BRI. That would make so much sense if system hardline was always a means to the BRI end.

 

So, the player went for an Occupy Wall Street Style hand signal consensus thing? Damn hippies.

 

The news that the player reps have authorized Hunter and Fisher to accept a flat 50/50 split is pretty big.

The sides should meet tomorrow and compromise on the remaining issues. Something like:

--Find middle ground on the luxury tax "cliff" and on the "repeater tax". They are SOOOO close on these issues, IMHO.

--Set the MLE for tax-paying teams somewhere between where the two sides put it. Say, either (A) a $3.5M salary, three-year deal, available every other year; or (B) a $3M salary, two-year or three-year deal, alternating years but the MLE is available every year.

--Allow sign-and-trades for taxpayers, but ONLY if the resulting team salary would be less than $X (X being some amount where the luxury tax gets more punitive but not the initial luxury tax "cliff").

--Keep the escrow at 10% but clarify and set the additional amount being escrowed for this season to account for "economic uncertainties" caused by the lockout. (Hint to both sides: Those "economic uncertainties" are certain to be far less if you make a deal tomorrow than if this blows up.)

Boom. Deal.

You're welcome, NBA.

 

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This Kessler character is a joke. If I were the Union, I'd stay as far away as I can from this. Seriously, this is the guy I think that is holding the NBA and Union from making a deal.

 

Here's an easy way to resolve things:

Give every team one $4 mil or $5 mil cap exception that (a) doesn't count against the luxury tax and (b) is paid for not by the team but from player escrows.

System issue solved. More money for middle class at the cost of increased escrow refund.

 

If only common sense prevailed in the world.

 

Not feasible. Teams would simply use that exception first, and THEN sign additional players (i.e., league minimum guys). Union would refuse any such proposal. Nice try, though. Better to just find middle ground on the amount of the MLE for tax-payers.

 

JaredDudley619 Jared Dudley by SpearsNBAYahoo
I've talked to fans for awhile now about the lockout, some view 50-50 is fair, so if we do that and Owners say that's good enough,what then?

 

FWIW: David Stern will be on live on NBATV right now with an interview by David Aldridge.

Just a heads up if anyone's interested.

 

SpearsNBAYahoo Marc J. Spears
Stern says he has no such plans of canceling games through Xmas right now.

 

SpearsNBAYahoo Marc J. Spears
Unless NBA Labor Relations Committee says otherwise, Stern doesn't seem interested in tweeking current labor offer before 5 PM Wednesday.

 

Do know what you mean..

Lets say we have the Lakers (big market team) and the Bucks (small market team), each with a carry-over salary of $64 mil on 11 players. Lets say (1) the soft cap is $58 mil (which reports say it will be, contrary to speculation by some uninformed individuals ), (2) the tax threshold is $70 mil and (3) the MLE is $5 mil.

The intention of the new higher tax level (starting at 1.5 to 1) and the other limitations is to stop the Lakers being able to spend well above the $70 mil level while the Bucks cannot afford to go above $70 mil. Then each of them would have another $5 mil to spend on 1 to 3 players before getting hit with tax. They can each use the MLE.

With the new "extra exception" (say, it's $4 mil), each team will use that exception first, get a player at that price for which they don't have to pay and doesn't count against the tax. So, they'd each still have the full MLE to use and $5 mil before hitting the tax threshhold.

Without the exception, they'd just have up to the full MLE to use and minimums.

I don't see the fact that a team will use the extra exception first make it less likely for teams to pay a middle class player. In fact it is more middle class friendly than your system.

 

LScola4 Luis Scola

Scola wanted the chance to at least vote. Him, Martin, Kobe, Steve Blake are probably part of the majority that thinks this is good enough and just want to play. If Fisher and co. don't get it done by tomorrow, those guys are going to get increasingly pissed.

 

The NBPA rejected the proposal to the owners, why not vote?.

 

He's not even American and should not be allowed to vote.