In This Thread Every Post Must Contain A Lockout Update

Good read, players are seething at Jordan. They feel betrayed. This only shows you how clueless they are, about life, about business, and about their "tarnished hero".

http://sheridanhoops.com/2011/11/06/nba-lockout-news-update/

 

it's funny how pro-owner you are when just a few short weeks ago you were one of the loudest people on the "owners are paying their gardeners 10 million dollars and counting the players as depreciating assets so it's all just funny accounting that is causing the losses" side of things, even though i'm sure like just about everyone (including me) you had no real idea what accounting was actually going on. now you pulling this complete 180 is, while not unexpected, still pretty impressive.

i'm not even sure you know what you mean when you say "they should get the system" right.

so if they can't get revenue sharing, the actual best way to level the playing field, they should try to help the small market teams compete on the court, despite the fact the small market teams already compete just fine on the court. so if they can't get the real solution, they should fight tooth and nail for a fake solution to a nonexistent problem. great strategy.

no, those are all pretty terrible examples. first of all, who even went to chicago? carlos boozer? shut the damn league down, carlos boozer is on the move!! and you know why boozer went there? because big market chicago was spending like a small market and had cap room. you know why amare went to new york? because they cleared a buttload of cap room, like every single other team in the league has the opportunity to do, and signed him under the cap. we better get a system that prevents future endeavors to responsibly manage one's cap situation to sign players. and miami? i love this idea from everyone that they are now big market. the worst sports town in america is now a big market? why, because they signed some free agents? leaving aside that they only did it because they lapped new york's buttload of FA money and created a metric ****ton of cap room to sign free agents, if we start calling anyone who signs a free agent a big market, then yes, big market teams will always be getting the free agents.

these "big market" teams didn't get players by signing talent on top of an already bloated payroll in a system that doesn't limit their spending (like mlb). they spent years creating cap room to sign players. they were the responsible ones. i thought that was what we were trying to encourage. apparently not.

time for teams to create your own cap room instead of whining about other people's cap room. revenue sharing is what they should do if they want to do a lot to level the financial playing field.

 

Other teams had money, but were never seriously considered. I don't care if SLC has enough cap space to sign three max deals, they aren't getting any superstar to move to SLC. Same with half the league. Why choose Minnesota when you can have LA? Why choose Houston when you can have NY?

 

I do think the owners are doing some funny accounting, but I think the system they are trying to implement will help the league in long run so I believe it is the lessor of two evils, if that makes sense.

DD

 

exactly what are they supposed to write into the new CBA that makes minnesota more desirable than miami? a player's current team can already offer a better deal. and if a harder cap means miami has no money to offer, then if minnesota still can't get players then i'm not sure what to say. too damn bad. don't be minnesota i guess.

 

I am beginning to think the owners want them to decertify, so they can implement a hard cap and get a franchise tag etc..etc..etc...

The players will have really screwed the golden goose if they let that happen.

DD

 

Joseph is kind of good.

 

oops wrong forum... too many tabs open...

F**k Jordan! There's my contribution, back to reloading and lurking this thread.

 

owners final ultimatum to the players. Accept the deal by Wed or they are dropping their offer to 47% of BRI.

Looks like my chances of bedding Mila Kunis is about as big as a NBA season this year.... ZERO

 

Over the summer the owners filed a federal complaint regarding the NBPA not negotiating in good faith, etc. Multiple analysts including David Aldridge stated that the NBA was basically stating that if the NBPA plans to decertify they will be subject to antitrust litigation and could favor the owners in that case.

To me, that tells me the NBA was essecially telling the NBPA Dont Decertify OR ELSE. That sounds like a bargaining tactic for the NBA to keep the negotiations out of court. Why would they want to keep it out of the courts??... well I would guess that they would be the ones with a proven track record of not negotiating in good faith, and stalling negotiations till the players were losing paychecks for competitive balance. The players seem to have been banging their heads against the wall just trying to get the NBA owners to talk to them and work to meet halfway.

The players have screwed the pooch by not decertifying back this summer like they should have. If they would have done it then, they could have saved the season like the NFL did and got a close to fair deal.

Now, their options are to take a horrible deal from the owners and play 50 games, or go to the courts now and lose an entire season, but have a chance at a better deal. If Im a player, or anyone advising the players in this case, I say hold a press conference saying you are advising your players to seek alternate basketball related work for this upcoming winter and are holding a vote to decertify unless the NBA agrees to let David Stern properly negotiate.

Bima, I would like your take on decertification, who you think would favor, and what your educated take on what the impact will be from here on out.

 

Players and agents involved in the movement to decertify hope to have the requisite 130 signatures on a petition by Tuesday.

"We intend to move fast," one source said.

Once signatures are collected from 30 percent of the players, that petition is filed with the National Labor Relations Board. The NLRB could then take an estimated 45 days to verify the petition and schedule an actual decertification vote.

Two calls involving as many as 50 players and an anti-trust attorney were held last week.

Paul Pierce, Dwight Howard and Dwyane Wade were amongst the players who reportedly participated.

Via Marc Stein/ESPN

 

Looks like no basketball. No way the players will accept that with the way they're talking right now. Both sides are extremely dumb for this.

Oh well, I've accepted it now.

 

I get the union. Please explain how the owners are dumb.

 

I want to hear what the 'fair system' was to the players 51% BRI offer they laid down to the owners. Everything I have read it sounds like the players want nothing to change.

 

They're dumb for the way they are negotiating. If they negotiated in good faith, I'm sure this would have gotten done somehow someway. Instead, the owners have taken the stance of: "My way or the high way!"

 

That's part of the negotiations especially when you feel you're in control of the other side

 

I don't see your point at all. The owners have a baseline and will not cross it. What were they supposed to do? It's the players that took an extra month to get to 51%. Like I said, in early October they could have been where they are now. Hunter, Fisher and Kessler should be tossed to the curb whenever this ends. They have let the players down big time.

 

Exactly the players want status quo, but the owners have said they are willing to go to the mat to fix the system that is broken.

The union just doesn't want to hear it....but the truth is the truth, and the players will lose a year of their career and millions of $$$ they will never get back.

They should have taken the deal...imo.....now it will get significantly worse and the guys voting on the deal will lose out on money they will never recoup.

Dumb, dumb, dumb...but hey, these are the players...for the most part they are not all that sharp to begin with.....

DD

 

Why shouldn't they take that approach? The players need to realize they have absolutely no leverage and lose the entitlement.

 

DING DING DING !!!!


We have a winner !

Go play in Europe see if you get paid on time or as much money or have the same level of fame.......

Take the money UNION....and run.

DD