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In the Tea Party America - let this hero die

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Sweet Lou 4 2, Oct 23, 2011.

  1. Northside Storm

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    Well, you would think so, but Commodore seems to have latched on already to the notion that someone, somewhere, is enslaving him and stealing his tax money through workman's comp.
     
  2. KingCheetah

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    Yeah, but Commodore is an idiot so why even acknowledge what he posts?

    Regardless if this guy has health insurance or not -- he was at work -- he was injured while working -- he deserves workers comp and I bet he ends up getting it if people fight with him for what he deserves.
     
  3. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    the guy has 2.5 million in medical bills and no means to pay for it. According to the Tea Party ethos, he should have been left to die since he couldn't afford it.
     
  4. CometsWin

    CometsWin Breaker Breaker One Nine

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    Don't worry, his neighbors are going to have a bake sale and put up a lemonade stand. He'll be fine.
     
  5. bmb4516

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    I bet dollars to doughnuts that by the time this story gets out, the workman's comp claim gets a second look, or enough donations are garnered that the man's bills get paid. That's the great thing about America. It's not so much that the government shouldn't take care of everyone, but that in most cases, people that are willing to work to find charity, find it.

    What it comes down to is the government doesn't need to find a way for everyone to get insurance, but it does need to find a way to get costs down. That was the fundamental problem with the healthcare law. Not the mandate. Obamacare didn't do anything to bring costs down, instead it focused on getting everyone on insurance.
     
  6. Carl Herrera

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    The provisions that would have controlled cost got eliminated by efforts of the GOP and lobbyists (socialism! Death panel!)
     
  7. CometsWin

    CometsWin Breaker Breaker One Nine

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    Yes, everyone who is sick and can't pay their medical bills through no fault of their own usuallky gets a little story on the front page of Yahoo to rally the nation to help pay their bills. You understand the situation well.
     
  8. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    Wealth of others? So building a road is charity work by the gov't?????

    Making a B2 Bomber, which depends on the wealth of others - that is charity work????


    No one is taking YOUR money away from you. The taxes you pay ARE NOT YOUR MONEY, they belong to the public. Taxes are the price you pay to live here and enjoy freedom. That's what you pay your taxes for.

    If you don't like it, leave it baby! Love it or leave it! Go to Somalia where you won't have to pay any taxes and are free to do whatever you want.
     
  9. bmb4516

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    Yes, the mean, nasty GOP were able to remove portions of a bill crafted by Democrats with a Democrat super majority. The GOP had NOTHING to do with the language in Obamacare.

    You have to face fact, it was a poorly written bill that did nothing to control costs by design.
     
  10. FranchiseBlade

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    You have to face the fact that there are more Republican amendments to the bill than Democratic ones, and that Democrats time and time again acquiesced to the Republicans demands.
     
  11. RedRedemption

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    Another brainwashed Tea Party extremist.
    Don't you get tired of the hours and hours of pure and utter bull**** that Glenn Beck feeds you fool?
     
  12. DonnyMost

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    Not a bad idea, I think I'll send some coin to this poor guy.
     
  13. Hightop

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    You are right. I changed my mind. Tax me more and more. Predator drones for everyone!
     
  14. bmb4516

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    False. A quick search of Thomas shows that only one Republican amendment to the Affordable Care Act passed. That was David Vitter's which was to prevent the United States Preventive Service Task Force recommendations from restricting mammograms for women.

    What a heartless amendment.
     
  15. FranchiseBlade

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    What I said was correct, and perhaps you can do a little more research.

    Here is a start to help you .

    http://www.slate.com/articles/news_...7/this_is_what_bipartisanship_looks_like.html
     
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    Oh the Republicans offered more amendments to be sure. However, amendments filed does not mean amendments passed. When all was said and done, only eleven amendments were engrossed in the bill. Ten by Democrats and one by Republicans.

    Go here. http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d111:HR03590:mad:@@S
     
  17. Vik

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    I believe you are referring to senate amendments. Indeed, when you look at the amendments page from the bill summary, you will find only senate amendments (numbering 150). In general, many house amendments, especially those submitted during committee deliberations, may not appear in the thomas search query. There are resources on thomas that discuss this point further.

    Of course, this is a minor and tangential point.
     
  18. bmb4516

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    The reason you're only seeing Senate Amendments is that the House version was a closed rule with no amendments allowed. While there may have been committee work on some of the related bills, the final version was crafted by Pelosi and Reid and did not receive a hearing. My point was that there was almost no capitulation to Republican demands w/ the ACA. The Democrats knew they weren't getting a single Republican vote and did not negotiated with them. Most of the provisions that the far left doesn't like came from negotiating with conservative Democrats.
     
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    Sorry Cheetah, you might be too smart to participate in this thread.
     
  20. Carl Herrera

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    Who made what "amendments" is what I was referring to. Some of the more Democratic/progressive/liberal ideas, the most significant one of which was a single-payer system, would have controlled cost but didn't become part of the deal because of the lobbying efforts of various interested parties (and the desire to appease them) as well as scare tactics (again, death panels!) of the GOP.

    Not all of this is right/left thing... the insurance companies, drug companies, physicians groups, etc. lobbied both sides of the aisle to water down the final product. However, the point is that a more collectivist/progressive system (like what Canada and other countries have, and like what the US has for the elderly, i.e. Medicare) would have incorporated more cost control measures.
     

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