In the Israeli Palestinian Conflict no Good Deed Goes Unpunished

Come on Mathloom said Islam and music are a touchy subject.

So why is that?


DD

 

Maybe it isn't for you to judge. Maybe...just maybe...there is a group of people that believe our laws and our mores are out of whack and unbalanced lunacy. Oh wait...there are people that believe that.

Who is right? Does it matter? The only thing that matters is what the people living under those laws believes. If the people living under Islamic law believe that they are doing so to live a life that will get them to paradise, then so be it.

 

Agreed, as long as those people are not infringing on the rights of others etc.

DD

 

Define "others." If you believe that the rights of others are infringed by the application of law that we do not agree with against a member of that other society, then I would say you are wrong.

If you mean that the Islamic law adherents cannot come to the West and enforce their laws against people, then I would agree.

 

I am a muslim and have been to Sunday School and listened to many speakers preach about Islam. Most of the "hardcore" religious speakers have said music is not allowed because it "transports you into another world where you forget about reality" and instigates too much emotion which is unnecessary. They use the analogy with alcohol as music is somehow intoxicating someone's mind with strong lyrics. Others say the Prophet wasn't fond of musical instruments.

It is a VERY touchy subject but I still listen to music a lot and as of now, it's too difficult to give up. I love music but it's a controversial subject in Islam. As others have said, to each his own.

 

I'm slightly confused by the responses in this thread. Isn't the whole point of the article that the woman was barred from teaching music, not because she was teaching, but rather her orchestra was playing to a group of Holocaust survivors?

 

I in no way called anyone on this thread a "Taliban fanatic" or "terrorist like". I used the word Taliban because the Taliban outright banned music in society among other things.

 

Yes, that pretty much was the reason. I don't understand why Mathloom framed it like this when the article clearly said otherwise.

 

Music is not forbidden in Islam. That's ridiculous. Look at my man Yusuf Islam break it down here.

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I attended Baylor when they had the FIRST EVER dance on campus. It was an awesome event. Students from all over the state came to check it out. It devolved into a huge (tame) block party through the middle of the campus. They had every university police officer running security at every possible entrance to the campus to make sure no alcohol was smuggled in.

Historic I tells ya!

 

Was being too sensitive, my bad, didn't even know about the Taliban banning music......pointless discussion really, I blame the guy who said "Muslim is generally not allowed in Islam"

 

I don't think music is an issue here at all. Based on the previous posts, it looks like music is avoided to circumvent the uncertainty of blasphemous lyrics/ideas. Orchestra has no lyrics, and unless they were playing the tango (doubtful), no sex either. If they did make music an issue as suggested, it was only because they found an easy excuse. If she taught them football (soccer), another excuse would have been found.

Playing for Holocaust survivors is a much larger issue. Whether they want to deny the event or not, a couple facts remain: (1) they were unjustly in some sort of prison and (2) they're old. The children were tricked into playing for old prisoners of war. oh the shame. Respect for the elderly was a huge portion of our religious teachings (Islam) when we were younger. From my point of view, this looks like a HUGE double standard.

Agree with the OP. Hate for the sake of hate.

 

Some of the best music I have ever heard is Middle Eastern, I highly doubt music is frowned upon in the Muslim world. The hardcore would be very few and far inbetween anyways, like the Taliban. Even the Saudis, I was surprised to learn from my Saudi friend, have many successful musicians. It is not particularly to my liking, I am not crazy about their beats, but they have drums and pianos and guitars in there for sure.

Anyway, it is not really relative to this story at all. They were protesting having the kids manipulated into performing at a Holocaust related function. I can understand that given the circumstances. It is a shame if it gets in the way of this ongoing exchange between the two sides however. I would hope they find a more agreeable substitute that would keep the spirit of things going.

I admire people who participate in these projects, although it is highly doubtful it will make much of a difference on the political stage.

 

I thought I clarified this, but just to do it again... I don't believe the writer has given the full picture. I believe the writer has framed this a certain way to interest people who will believe anything they say.

 

lol I blame myself for saying that too. I hope everyone caught the correction.

Point being, there is a good case for staying away from it and a good case for not staying away from it. Most people don't stay away from it. In Islam, there is Halal and Haram. It is not stated in the Qura'an or any Hadith that Music is Haram (forbidden).

Those who avoid don't lose anything. If you believe in the day of judgement, then surely you don't think that you'll be raised from your grave and think "I should've listened to more music."

Look at it from THEIR perspective.

 

"hardcore" isn't necessarily an insult, "taliban" certainly is, but why would someone who is very into their religion be insulted by the term "hardcore," IF they were truly into their religion

 

I see your Cat Stevens, and raise you a Peter Murphy:


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In all fairness...I'm not sure this is rooted as an Islamic principle. I think it just comes with the territory of being socially conservative. There's a whole hell of a lot of good music being made by Arabs and Turks, which overshadow IMHO the poor imitations made by Greeks and Israelis. I freely admit by pro-Arab and anti-Mizrachi musical bias. I've heard some really, really good stuff on Palestinian radio...music is not only good, but there's a musical tradition which warrants some serious respect.

My Orthodox Jewish boss and my Southern Baptist Grandmother aren't real keen on my music career, either. I am however, much more confused by the prohibition in Islam (and among religious Jews) of keeping dogs as pets.

 

IF this is accurate, it is a horrible way to carry out policy, criticism, or use authority. What a complete nightmare.

 

I think you're right on with the socially conservative comment. Look at the movie "Footloose" when the Reverend didn't want the kids in his congregation listening to rock and roll.

As far as dogs go, I think it's more a function on keeping your prayer area clean. In other words if you pray in your bedroom, you probably don't want your dog dirtying it up. This is why you'll notice that the Muslim families that
do have dogs will either keep it as an "outside" dog, or not let it upstairs or out of the kitchen. This way you keep your prayer area dog free.