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In his 'prime' TMac or Hakeem?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by tinman, May 16, 2008.

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Who was better in his prime?

  1. Dream

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  2. Tmac

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  1. macalu

    macalu Member

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    Did Hakeem ever make a pass to himself off the backboard and dunk the ball in traffic? didn't think so.

    Tracy Mcgrady is the superior player.
     
  2. sook

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    I respect his opinion because he has good things to say about mcgrady as well, he doesn't just hate on him over anything. But man...my IQ drops reading everyone of WACKO'S posts!
     
  3. t_mac1

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    i never said tmac was clutch. all i said is tmac does more in the 4th offensively (passing moreso when he doesn't score) than kg. you're talking about fg%. yes kg shoots better, but he doesn't even want the damn ball in the 4th. he's unselfish and that's why he never gets the ball in the 4th. when he was in minnesota, cassell was the go-to guy, then spree. now it's paul pierce. kg will never be a go-to guy. i question how long you been watching basketball if you don't know that. that's a fact that is renowned in this league.

    like i said, i'm not a tmac jocker b/c i'll trade him if we can get equal value. i would trade tmac + some chips for kobe/bron/paul/and most likely deron right now without zero hesitation. but the other players you mentioned, there is no chance in hell i would trade tmac straight up for them. i'll take a package for sure for tmac. billups does not equal tmac. billups + prince, that's more of an equal value.

    yao does buckle under pressure. you pointed out THREE games. did you even read yourself? you even said THREE games. buckle might be a bad word to say, let's just say yao is like kg, he doesn't step up in the 4th. he turns the ball over a lot in the 4th, always takes fallaways and miss, and not get rebounds.

    like i said, yao is a great ft shooter. he's not like shaq where you don't go to him in the 4th b/c he's a liability at the line. not once in the past 4 years have we made yao our main guy in the 4th in terms of scoring the ball. in fact, quite a few times this year adelman has taken yao out b/c he was a liability in the 4th (the blazers to be in fact).

    maybe yao is fatigued (so i want to see him play less minutes so maybe he would be more aggressive in the 4th). but there's a reason i don't agree with trading tmac unless we get a great player (or great package) in return. i just do not trust this organization with yao as the main guy. tmac may not be the greatest, but let's be real, a lot of us have more trust in him than in yao leading the team.
     
  4. wekko368

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    You dont think he deserved it? League leader in steals.

    Best defender on the best team.

    I'd ask them to repeat the question. I think you're trying to type too fast or something. Thats almost entirely incoherent.

    You cant make that assumption b/c kobe is a superior player to tmac (unless you're referring to his magic days).

    Look at the parameters of what you're asking. 0 shots, 4th quarter, team scores 30 pts with ease. How do you gauge if a team scores "with ease"?

    Its probably never happened before. Its like me asking "besides kobe, has anyone else put up exactly 81 pts in a game?"

    When you quantify a question too much, you lose the point you're trying to prove.

    Yes, it was nice to see him being more aggressive. But keep in mind that he tries to avoid contact when he drives.

    Thats true for the most part, but the 4th quarters of game 1 & 2 beg to differ.

    I'd rank garnett, lebron, and duncan above tmac. all the others (except ray allen) are comparable enough to be considered adequate replacements
     
  5. tinman

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    i always appreciate when you make this thread as popular as evar!
     
  6. t_mac1

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    kobe avg 27 ppg and 44% shooting last yr in the playoffs. he went up to 33 ppg this year on 49% shooting. could you say maybe better team making him do less and focus on scoring? :rolleyes: so yea, kobe is not dependent on his teammates.

    stars make role players' jobs easier, but if your role players play extremely well, it makes the stars' job easier. get that point hammer in your head.
     
  7. sook

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    Dude..your like running around in circles, everyone of your posts is in retaliation to the same point ME AND HIM have proven you wrong on CONSTANTLY. This started with you calling TMAC names, and now a comparison to Kobe, please stop your bull**** because no1 takes you seriously. Go to lakersground.net and go hop on Kobe's jockstrap there ok?
     
  8. t_mac1

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    no, paul is a horrific on ball and team defender. steals is not an indication of defense. rondo should have gotten that nod.

    lakers' defense was not even one of the best, so your point is moot when the lakers win with OFFENSE. so no, kobe shouldn't have made 1st team.

    nobody can make assumptions b/c assumptions is based on predictions. you can't say we would have advanced with kobe last yr.

    i say they scored "WITH EASE" b/c they shot a ridiculous percentage and never struggled to score one bit. i think that's pretty safe enough to say they scored with ease.

    ok, what about the hand-checking. kobe gets those, tmac doesn't. those happen on the PERIMETER.

    again, you're bringing up games 1/2. that's 2 games. nobody steps up in EVERY GAME. not kobe, jordan, lebron... superstars probably step up more than 50% of the time and that's why they're superstars. you can't expect them to show up and dominate every game. lebron hasn't dominated one game in the boston series. is he not a superstar? but if you look at the playoffs as a whole, lebron has dominated about 3 games out of 11. superstars CAN dominate game, but they do not dominate every game. and i agree with you, i wish tmac would dominate EVERY game, but who can?

    i agree with you on ranking lebron and duncan ahead of him. but in no way is kg ahead. have you been watching the playoffs?
     
  9. wekko368

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    How about you use the right stats? in 06-07, he put up 32.8 ppg on 46.2 fg%, 35.7 3pt%, 91.9 ft%.

    this year its 49.5 fg%, 27.8 3 pt fg%, 80.6 ft%. 33.3 ppg.
     
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    Unselfish is a good thing. Who cares if Garnett is willing to defer to other players? When he does get the ball he converts at better than 50%. There's nothing preventing him from taking the shots in the fourth, no magic barrier or something. If the coach calls a timeout in the fourth and draws up a play where Garnett gets the ball do you seriously think he's going to say "Nope, let's give it to Scola" instead?

    I pointed out three games this season, the most relevant one, where Yao stepped up big time in the fourth. Can you name even one game where he choked? The closest I can think of is those missed free throws. Maybe he and Garnett don't do a good job of demanding the ball, but if the choice came down to Garnett and Yao versus Alston I'd chuck Alston and do my damnedest to find a point guard who will distribute. In other words, I'd find a PG who will get them the ball without them having to ask for it.
     
  11. Rocketeer

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    I can't believe this thread is this long.
     
  12. t_mac1

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    it's not about choking. yao has a kg's mentality. remember that mavs' game? yao didn't get a ny shot attempt and he didn't complain one bit. he settles for 20 ft fallaways rather than take his man deeper. he rarely gets big rebounds... yao just doesn't have the "MENTALITY" to dominate the 4th. that's why he's not a #1 option type of player. watch the jazz series. and watch every yao's game. i don't need to name you one game. watch every game yao has ever played.

    that's why jvg or adelman even push to make yao the main option in the 4th.
     
  13. tinman

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    rocketeer,
    its the power we have as 1999ers. the power to influence and bring the new, the old , and the future together.
     
  14. macalu

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    did Hakeem ever teabag anyone like T-mac did on Shawn Bradley? didn't think so. in fact, Hakeem got posterized by a little guard named Kevin Johnson. that's pretty weak.

    T-mac is so much better.
     
  15. tinman

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    i'm glad you're awake.
     
  16. v3.0

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    YAWN :rolleyes:

    here's a better poll:

    who's the biggest blowhard amongst the 99ers?

    A. tinman
    B. tinman
    C. V-Span's left testicle SHEESH! ;)
    D. all of the above
     
  17. tinman

    tinman 999999999
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    too bad your nick isn't v99.0
    :D
     
  18. T-mac&Yao=RING

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    You do know that Kareem won a ring and 3 mvps without Magic right?
     
  19. Pizza_Da_Hut

    Pizza_Da_Hut I put on pants for this?

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    Kill this poll until Tmac wins a title. I think it's easy to bandwagon dream because he won two, right now it's not a fair comparison. I'm not saying Tmac is better, I just think he still has a chance to turn some heads. 13 points in 35 seconds coupled with 22 wins and a ring is pretty damn impressive. He's 2/3 of the way there.
     
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    Wilt was monster, could you imagine a guy that was close to Shaq's size, but much more athletic and much more committed to defense?
     

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