In case you were wondering what it would take to get Garnett...

KG's great. But in these days of cap room and salary tax, his contract is a killer.

 

What are you on, man??

37pts, 22boards, 6assists, 5 blocks, and you call me overrated??

For the season:

22.2ppg, 12.8rb, 5.7assists, 1.52 blocks, 1.44steals, shooting 48%.

I would bet that there is not a team in the league that would turn down Kevin Garnett.

Overrated? Pft.

 

KG is good player, but not a superstar. KG is a taller scottie pippen, who is an all-around player, but they don't have the offense to become a superstar. nowadays, there are six superstars: shaq, kobe, duncan, mcgrady, pierce and kidd.

let me explain why kg is not a superstar.

1. no go-to move.
2. average to poor outside shooting. (don't use his all-star game performance to dispute my claim)
3. a 7-footer tries to shoot the 3s. does he shoot or throw the ball? i'm trying to figure that out.
4. can you dependent on him to rise up and play big in big games?

his big numbers?
so what! antawn jamison, antoine walker, marbury, stackhouse, and many other players put up big numbers, too. putting up big numbers doesn't automatically make you a superstar.

 

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL!


Pierce is a superstar and Garnett isn't?


Anyway, of course we'd offer Francis if they'd accept. With either Ming or Francis playing alongside him, he wouldn't need to finish games. What he brings is a guaranteed 20/10/3/2 at LEAST every night. Now, with Francis bringing the explosives in the 4th, that would be unstoppable. With Ming on the inside, damn, every game would be a blowout by the 4th.


I think the Wolves would trade Garnett for Yao if they missed the playoffs. Ming would bring all the attention that they're LACKING into Minnesotta. Plus, Wally would be much much more effective with a true post player like Yao in the middle.


I think this is the best we can do:

Yao Ming, Eddie Griffin, Bostjan Nachbar, Cuttino Mobley, and Kelvin Cato

for

Garnett, Peeler, and MJaxx


But with Yao showing so much potential, I probably wouldn't do it. Oh, don't give me the "Yao is the 2nd best C" stuff, because Garnett is THE best Small Forward and a top 5 PF too. Not to mention a top 3 defensive player in the league, and a premiere passer for a big man (to match Yao). So no one can honestly say "NO WAY" to a deal which would send Ming for Garnett (not straight up obviously).

 

james, find someone with these numbers:

22.2ppg, 12.8rb, 5.7assists, 1.52 blocks, 1.44steals, shooting 48%.

Maybe he's not clutch, but he's a superstar. No doubt about that. ALL he lacks is a go-to move, and dammit, he still has time to develop one!! He's still young!

 

OMG!! Just when I thought I'd read everything, something else comes along to amaze me. And you really believe this stuff, James23??

"...a taller Scottie Pippen..."
OK, whatever.

 

Taller (7'0), quicker (MUCH), more athletic, and stiill-has-time-to-improve Scottie Pippen.

Now, I know we hate Pippen. But take Pippen in his prime, and add thos qualitites. Still, this guy says Paul Pierce is better.

 

In my opinion, Kevin Garnet is the second best player behind Timmy Duncan. Kevin cannot be traded (though nothing is impossible) but if it had to happen the trade have to involve something like;

Tim Duncan straight up
Kobe + Rush
Kidd + Jefferson or Kittles
Tracy + Miller + a draft pick
Yao + Eddie + Tmo + draft picks
Dirk + Nash

 

And after Garnett's 37 points, 22 rebounds and 5 blocks explosion, anything short of Francis or Yao won't get it done

 

If you really want Garnett, trade Francis before Yao.
Yao is on the rookie contract so you still have money
for other quality players. With Garnett + Francis, Rox
can not afford any more above average player. It is
a playoff team but nowhere Champion-caliber.

Besides, Francis is not mature enough to be the star
PG for a contender. Think about it, a team of

Yao + MoT + Garnett + Posey + ?

is much more promising than a team of

Garnett + Francis + Scrubs.

 

Actually, Spurs wouldn't trade Duncan for Garnett. Why would they? He's carrying a team of scrubs that are worse than the Wolves, and his team is on fire.

Lakers won't trade Kobe, because he's the next MJ. I mean, the guy's younger than Francis. So if Francis can still improve, so can Kobe. NOW are you scared?

Orlando won't trade T-Mac for the same reason the Lakers won't trade Kobe.

Kidd + Jefferson works. Kidd is an FA and Jefferson is still young. Mutombo, K-Mart and Garnett in the frontcourt is ALL-Defense.

Dirk + Nash? Maybe Van Exel + Dirk, or Finley + Nash.

About Ming, he's a rookie. So based on talent alone, of course Garnett. But Ming has so much room for improvement, and I don't want to find out from the WOlves if Ming becomes one of the greatest C's ever.



I would trade Francis though. It's a no-brainer. Francis is great, but even if Garnett is similarly talented, he has the edge. Why? He's taller. But the thing is, they're NOT similarly talented. Garnett is much better than Steve at this point in every facet of the game but 3-pt shooting.

Imagine Yao in place of Nesterovic? They're be the 4th seed.

Francis + Rice + Griffin + Moochie + MoT + Collier + Maddox

for

Garnett + Terrell Brandon's contract + MJaxx

 

KG is the second best player in the nba?? what kind of basketball are you watching? i advise you to stop watching ESPN cuz those highlights have too much influence on you. let's see your trade proposals. oh yeah, they are preposterous.

1. TD for garnett -> only you would make this deal
2. kidd, jefferson or kittles for garnett -> might cuz kidd is old
3. mcgrady + Miller + a draft pick -> worst than td for duncan
4. Yao + Eddie + Tmo + draft picks -> same as above
5. Dirk + Nash -> same as above

teams won't even trade mcgrady, yao, dirk and TD for garnett one on one.


sane,
1. you want a guy who posts similar numbers, you got it. his name is chris webber. his numbers:
23ppg, 10.5rb, 5.5assists, 1.56 blocks, 1.63steals, shooting 466%.
2. garnett is quicker and more athletic than pippen?? only you think so. tell me one thing that garnett can do that pippen can't.


panda,
you offer yao + francis for garnett? if garnett were playing for the rockets this year, the team would be like bulls.

 

It's funny you should mention Webber who has similar numbers. Garnett's numbers are only slightly better. But guess what? Webber was SEASON MVP candidate before he went out with those numbers.

Webber went out, and his team performed the same. If Garnett goes out, the Wolves are THE worst team in the league.

BTW, Kidd is not old, he's 28 or 29.

I believe the Mavs would surely trade Nowitzki for Garnett. Nowitzki has the same questions around him that KG has, clutch situations and being a go-to guy in crunchtime. But KG brings the inside game they lack, and KG is a MUCH MUCH tougher inside player.


One thing Garnett can do that Pippen can't NOW? Everything. Now, if you want to compare with Pippen's prime, Garnett NOW can do 95% of what Pippen could do in his prime. Guess what? Garnett's not in his prime. He IS taller. Are you comparing athleticism? Pippen is more athletic? HOW? Can Pippen jump higher? Run faster? Block shots as well? How is Pippen more athletic?

Pippen had MJ to make him look good. What on God's earth does KG have? Wally freakin Szerbiack.

Stop saying "only you think so". Who are YOU to judge EVERYONE on this board? Say you disagree, but don't say "only you think so".

Still, despite this, no way I'd offer BOTH Francis and Yao. No way in hell. Maybe if they had the #1 pick, and they offered Garnett and the #1. But, obviously, there are no picks for the Wolves, which makes their success even more impressive.

 

sane,

you don't win the mvp in the first half of the season. even if you win mvp, it doesn't mean you are a superstar. just because webber has better supporting casts, doesn't mean garnett is better than webber. if the two swap places, garnett might not post better numbers than webber.

kidd will be 30 next month. point guards go down hill after turning 30, except if you are stockton and playing part-time.

KG might be tough inside, but Nowitzki is a lot better from the outside. nowitzki is more dangerous because he can shoot over smaller players every single time with much greater accuracy than garnett.

you are right, pippen has a higher vertical jump, quicker feet and better hand-eye coordination than garnett. oh yes, he definately runs faster, too. pippen was a all-defensive first teamer many times. his ability to guard smaller and bigger men makes him the best defensive small foward from 80s to now even though he can't guard kobe.

 

I stopped reading after this and will stop arguing. Thank you and Good Night.