i see what you're saying. but you need to analyze the TYPE of shots those 2 players get as well. they are quite different types of shots.
Hinrich is a general improvement over Rafer both defensively and offensively. He's not that big of an improvement because Rafer is simply not that horrible. There are only 4-5 PGs who are significantly better than Rafer and it is impossible to get them. Calderon is probably better, but Hinrich is more attainable. Our only other options involve trading for a young PG (e.g. Kyle Lowry) and hoping he develops. If the Bulls take Rose, I think Rafer would actually be of interest to them. Rafer would be an excellent mentor to teach Rose the NBA game, at a cheaper cost than Hinrich.
Hinrich is tough and gritty. Spotty shooter. A white version of Rafer. Please stop with signing guys under 6'7". We're playing in the L, not the YMCA.
I'm gonna disagree. He's a solid player, but from what I've seen, he has the same handles as Luther Head. If you put any pressure on him, he's a turnover waiting to happen.
Its far more likely that they take Beasley, Tyrus Thomas is not panning out as their future interior presence, and their backcourt is pretty strong already. I still see Ben Gordon as the odd man out in this scenario, he has far too many weaknesses (height, defense, ball handling) to be a big money player, and it would be an unwise investment for them especially the way the Sefolosha played towards the end of the season. So the question becomes would you consider a sign and trade for Ben Gordon? I know he's grumbled before about being a bench player, but I'd love him in Bobby/Luther's role. The only problem is that his value has to be played out as a RFA, and it is very likely that a team will end up overpaying for him.
Kwame and Darko were in the league for at least 4 years before they went into free agency and they were both 7 footers. Thats what they were putting a premium on. No one is gonna risk going over the luxury tax by offering landry the mle. Not only that.... we can hold that team hostage for a week before we chose to match screwing them over while other free agents get signed.
Again look at my previous point, landry is a second year player not a veteran like posey was at the time. And back when posey was a free agent GMs had money to burn at the time. That is how stiffs like like brian cardinal and mo taylor got huge deals. Now everyone is close to that lt line and i assure you no GM is going to take that huge gamble on landry to risk that. Rival GMs arent out there to test other gms by offering way too much money for a player like landry. They do that for better players that they throw the max to or big contracts. It wouldnt make sense to do this to a second year player who doesnt even get more than average stats.
I agree with you in the sense that yes, Kirk's shooting % is not better than rafer's to the point where this is an obvious winning trade, BUT Kirk can control the ball and give Tmac more of a rest bringing up the ball than Rafer does. As a floor general...Rafer < Kirk But our biggest need is to hit those wide open shots. If Kirk can do that then well he has to be our target.
Kirk Hinrich is garbage. We dont need to upgrade the point unless we are getting something significantly better. Rafer Alston is equal if not better than Kirk Hinrich. Rafer is a good floor general and he is a low turnover guy. He also brings some fire. We should look into getting a good back up for McGrady and Yao.
I'm not the most knowledgeable when it comes to college ball, but don't the Bulls have enough small scoring guards? Why would they want Rose over Beasley?
You don't pass on the next Deron Williams, Chris Paul just because you have too many small scoring guards. Beasley although put up impressive numbers, is not as a sure thing as Rose, he might well be the next bust or sam bowie.
Beasley doesn't look more than a 6'8'' athletic 4 to me. Rose doesn't have a good outside shot but he appears to have a greater chance of being a star than Beasley to me as well.
i would like get thomas because he could play 4 or 5 position and he's young but for hinrich he's good but his contract is inflated i thinks its 13 mil a year, alston is not much worse and he only earns like 5 mil
Hinrich made the 2nd All-Defense team last season. They brought him into the USA squad for his playmaking. His Bull's teammates voted him in as their captain for the past 4 seasons.
How is 2nd-team all-rookie, as well as a huge, game saving block on Deron Williams and a man-kiss from Rafer not national exposure? As for the salary slotting thing, that's a load of BS. You know what really made a mockery of the slotting system? Giving the first pick of the second round the a bare-bones minimum, non-guaranteed one year deal, when Mr. Irrevelant-esque guys like JamesOn Curry and D.J. Strawberry got guaranteed money. Quite frankly, based on last year, he deserves to be paid like a lottery pick this coming year. Keep in mind, that if you pay Landry the Bi-Annual Exception, he'll be making less than Chuck Hayes. As big a Chuck-Wagon fan as I am, I would say that Landry is worth more. Going back to last season, I seem to recall Andray Blatche, he of 857 career minutes over two years, getting a 5 year deal starting around $2.5M from Washington. He signed two weeks after getting arrested for solicitation, BTW. But I suppose he is 7 feet tall. How about Amir Johnson, though? 11 games and 163 minutes played prior to signing a 3 year, $11M deal. Keep in mind both of these teams did the same "we'll match any offer" posturing that Morey is doing right now. I find it hard to believe that Landry couldn't at the very least match these numbers. Sure these guys were 20 and 19 respectively when signing their deals, meaning they still had potential. But Landry is battle-tested, and still has quite a bit of room to grow. I highly doubt he's going to be a player who is able to play well into his 30s, but he'll still be an effective player for the next 4 or 5 years; what contender wouldn't be willing to pay $3.5M for a player who can contribute, still has potential, and shows good work ethic? It would honestly shock me more to see Carl in camp being paid only $1.9M than to see Mike Miller get acquired for the poo-poo platter of Jackson/Head/#25.
kirk hinrich anyone? http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/b...chicago_bulls_should_take_derrick_rose_w.html didnt see this being posted anywhere... seems like hes gonna be available? maybe we can move bobby jax + head for him?
why would anyone take bobby jackson and luther head for kirk hinrich? let's make some more realistic trade proposals.
