Lets go back to your retail example, you think people working in Macy's make $15? Guess again, they make minimum and those are not illegals. so if working in Macy's where you have to have actual skills doesn't pay $15 an hour, why would pushing a mower require that wage.
whatever, Macy's workers make minimum wage, I know I applied there one christmas to make extra money. do you think mowers should make more than them
Why is it a silly concept? Just because your uneducated view is that the labor is unskilled, the customer pays a rate that is very possible to get 15 per hour out of. I don't want to get to complicated and I wanted to avoid this but how about this to get started. Bottom rate for mowing a lawn is about 1 dollar per minute. smaller lawns that can be done under 20 minutes are usually still 20 - 25 minimum. A modern commercial mower goes for about 2-3K hours. Lets say 2K to avoid repairs. Small yards will be done super fast with this sucker http://houston.craigslist.org/grd/1739452207.html So that is about 3 per hour equip costs. 1-1.5 per hour gas. so 7.5 per hour total. 7.5 plus 15 = 22.5 per hour ompared to a minimum charge of 60. This is also not counting hours used for blowers and trimmers which are much much cheaper on cost and gas. But CaseyH, it takes me 1 hour to mow my lawn. Well frankly your mower blows compared to even a 6K mower. Again my main point is the recent influx is from equipment improvements, NOT cheaper labor. Cheaper labor just forces out legal labor and improves the profit margin.
Yes they should. They work in a faster paced environment and in the sun. the easiest way to answer that question is "Hmm would I rather be in a Macy's and check out girls while folding clothes or eat dust and get sunburned while operating noisy equipment" In a free market, people would require more money for the mowing job. But in a market when the other job is not available to a segment of people, the mowing jobs pay rate is decreased? am I still not making sense? I am trying really hard.
no that doesn't make sense. i would not rather clean toilets than work the register at macy's but that's not why one job should pay more than the other. its based on skills. some jobs have a "dangerous environment" element that results in higher pay, but mowing lawns isn't one of them
What skillz does it take to work retail? Seriously I am at a loss here. Speaking english is a reason illegals cannot work there, not a skill.
First you have to understand you don't push a mower. Secondly i think you just understood. Both are considered UNSKILLEd labor. Therefore it is an even playing field for our imaginary employee.
and yes, given the fact that AMERICANS work at macy's and make the same as illegal imigrants cutting yards, there is no proof that the illegals are pushing down wages of unskilled jobs.
My point is they are not not making min wage. I guess you think everyone makes less than they actually do lol.
Is it really so hard to make the leap that if the illegals were not there the wages would be pushed upwards to fill the positions?
no because its not true for other unskilled positions. its an unskilled job, therefore it pays crap, not a hard concept to grasp.
casyh, I've already provided my knowledge of what a person working a register at most retail places make. I also applied at Circuit City one christmas for the same reason, minimum wage brother. you don't know how much people make, as was your claim in another thread that those guys make $15 an hour LOL
Cleaning toilets you mean? Commonly a job filled by illegals. Why? Because they employer is unwilling to pay the extra $$$ needed to fill it with legal workers. If Macy's pays X then you would want X+y for a worse job then Macy's right? Y would vary depending on how much worse the job is than Macy's.
I never claimed that. I think this is just another case of you not reading my posts or for some reason not understanding them. I will say though that at least you kept it civil this time even though we are talking right past each other!
going round and round but that's okay. I'm bored. no the issue isn't I want more for cleaning toilets, the issue is that even though they both pay minimum, I can't work at Macy's because I don't have the skill
