IMHO, the growing frustration in America is about MORE than.....

I won't. His latest was just another series of straw men, suffice to say that's all he has.

 

It's like they take all the criticisms that come their way and then rephrase them so they can criticize their opponents.

 

Correction: you want to make sure they think that's a viable version of reality.

In truth, the progressives like Kucinich are completely removed from power, and they're not very happy with Obama. That's why the HCR bill, for instance, is a recycled republican bill. That's why nuclear power and more offshore drilling are underway, etc. If you want to claim 2010 progressive politics are conservative politics of the early 1990's, you are advocating a truly radical point of view.

You either know that and are intentionally distorting facts, as so very many enjoy doing these days, or you are deluded. I'm not very interested in which it is, but I don't see other options for you.

 

Only an extreme rightist, which you are gving us a good example of n this thread by despite a veneer of moderation in language , would believe that in an American fighting in Afghanistan, Iraq and supporting the coup in Honduras.

HaHaHaHa

Try getting access to info apart from Fox, the Washington Times and other extreme right sources.

 

Not another one who repeats the same arguments and articles over and over again...

 

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Okay, so I am going to be straight up here. I am fairly young, and my family does not have particularly strong interests in politics. However, I would like to think that I know/am learning quite a bit about American history and things that have shaped this country. I have to say, I love reading your posts. I don't really have any political allegiances right now, but the way you go through the lines on these arguments makes everything really clear. From what I understand, the stance that you're backing doesn't have some underlying agenda behind it. You are simply throwing out facts. I don't really care about which political party is "right" at this point in my life. I think my views are beginning to take shape as I read more and more of these threads though. Your posts in particular are really refreshing. As I go through them, I can't help but thinking "hey, that is perfectly reasonable!"

Anyways, I just wanted to say keep up the good work. I think a lot of people get turned off from these discussion because no one is really discussing. There is one side who just says random unsubstantiated junk. The other side replies in sarcastic remarks or in jest. I understand why they do, because it must be insanely annoying replying to as many logical fallacies as we all just read. However, when someone takes the time to actually address the topics at hand it's so much easier for onlookers to form their own opinions. Plus I actually do learn quite a bit from these posts.

 

I'm sorry. Your cite is unresponsive. The NYT did not say the extreme left is in control of the USA.

They mention severe budget problems which rightist like you have caused by your misguided libertarianim or consevervative economic policies.

 

agreed. andy might be "crazy" for taking so much time to respond line by line, but man, he does a great job debating and dismantling the arguments.

it deserves some rep fo' sho.

and oh yes, if sand=liberal ideas, i welcome the sand.

 

So you give an article citing state budget woes when earlier you claimed that you "just don't believe that the National Government knows how to run any social justice policies".

What's your deal?

 

You mean I'm not the only one who feels this way?

:thumbsup:

 

Don't kid your self. You're a full on wingnut.

 

I am so happy to know that your point of view will wander the political wilderness for many years to come!

cheers!

 

don't worry giff

He'll get bored like all the rest and move on in a couple of months.

They all do

 

Huh? Troll ecology 101 --

a. Find nice on-line community
b. Post inflammatory misinformation
c. Look for responses
c1. If other posters are inflamed and/or reply at all, sprout roots in front of keyboard.
c2. If no response, got to part a and find new community.

Our troll ecosystem is healthy.

 

Knowledge is power. Acquire all you can.

Thank you, I realize it is a bit anal, but I do like to respond to salient points in a thorough manner.

To some extent this is the case, but I do have an agenda. I believe in We, The People above corporate interests and think that the middle class should be the driving force in our country.

Neither party is "right" above the other. Both of them are opposite sides of the same coin, both are paid for by corporate interests, and neither one of them has all of the answers.

As you find things I post that you find unreasonable or off, please bring it up so that we can have a discussion about it. I take a strange kind of pleasure from having my positions changed by intelligent arguments and stimulating discussion.

Yes, I know, and this drives me nuts.

Unfortunately, I get caught up and do this myself sometimes. Call me on it when you see it.

So do I. I have crystallized my beliefs by discussing them here and dearly enjoy it. Thank you for your kind words, it really means a lot.

 

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Not to shoot you down, but I haven't learned anything from what you've said...

Actually, I would like to address one point in particular that you made earlier. You said that the "extreme left" wants immigrants to flood this country (I am assuming you're referring to Latin Americans) so they can keep voting them into power. I found this point to be one of the most ludicrous you put forth because Latinos have the lowest voter turnout there is. Well, except for the asian vote that is. In fact, aside from african americans, minorities (who you seem to have implied reap the most benefits from the "everyone equal" agenda that the progressive liberals have) tend to vote much less than anyone else.