IMHO, the growing frustration in America is about MORE than.....

The point I am trying ot make is that just has you are supposed to have an emergengy fund for your personal finances, the government should have some leaway for unplanned national crisis--such as war. Now, I am sure everyone is going to jump on me about the Bush war plan and all--but lets stay focused on the issue at hand.

Can anyone garentee that in the next 10 years there will be no possibility of war in another area of the world we are not currently involve in--no you can't. So, the CBO is saying that in the best case senerio, we will be using every tax dollar in 10 years to pay for entitlemetn and the interest only on the debt. You have left no room for national emergency contingenies. Once you outtax you people--where do you go from there but even more taxes on the top 5%. What you end up with is Calaforinia. There is no one left to tax and everyone is taxed out.

But, my main focus was on the current CBO projections for the next 10 years. Lets focus on what are your thoughts on the future projections of the CBO? Are you ok with this amount of debt or do you think somehow it will go away or do we just keep printing more money?

This country is financially going to hell in a hand basket unless we do something about it in November.

Even the New York Times agrees with me. See the following link: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/30/business/economy/30states.html

 

Patients’ grasshopper, I am working on it..

 

Agreed 100%. Bush was a big part of this mess also!

 

I think it's about time the silent majority started to voice their feelings about the direction of our country!

Give me credit for warning you.... :grin: . But I thought you would have figured out from the elections results in New Jersey, Virginia, and Mass., that the political climate was changing?

I was only creating bookends for the opposite viewpoints. It was only to start the discussion.

The problem with entitlements is that good intentions have unintended consequences. For example, how is Social Security working for you? It was supposed to be a lockbox for the elderly, but its been raided so much there is nothing left. It’s bankrupt! I am all for Social Security, but it should have come with a legislation that forbids government to borrowing from it. It should have also allowed people to have limited option to invest their own money.

--I am all for helping those in need for a short period of time to help them get through tough times or a lot of help for families with special needs children.
--We just need to do a better job weeding out the career freeloaders. However, the extreme left depends on the freeloader" to keep them in office. Therefore, there is no incentive to really "teach them to fish"--progressives just want to hand out the "fish." It's just like those ducks at your local pond, when you show up anywhere near with a loaf of bread. It has just become habitual behavior. And "freeloading" term does not "only" apply to minorities, it even applies to those "raciest" small town folks in places in rural Indiana. Just go to any Wal-Mart on the last Friday of any month and it's packed with Government check freeloaders---and I am talking about BEFORE the rescission hit us--you will not find one single minority. I know all about the local "clubs" that still don't appreciate "minorities" showing up. This is not about race, it's about what is the core values and principles of our citizens. Unfortunately, as soon as anyone starts talking about "entitlement" vs. "taxpayers"--automatically, everyone assumes that person is raciest, right-wing nut, redneck and-- of course the SOP--"STUPID & UNEDUCATED"

With state government control of entitlements, if you are not happy with them you can move to another state, but still keep the rights provided by the constitution.

Sure, as soon as you show me a single person on the right who does not want to help those who are "truly" in need.

I see what you did there. So I will call you on it: “Yes, it’s called the progressive judges.”

The constitution should be used a “true north” compass. Keep in mind that little 17 page document resulted in the greatest nation in the history of the world. For example, universities do not teachconstitutional law anymore, they only study previous "cases". Therefore, all “new” judgments are just based basically on past cases and not per what the original constitution provided for us.

I don't get where you get this from? The God of my faith believes that all men and women are created equal and have certain human rights--for further details, read the Declaration of Independence , Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

See the Progressive Agenda and you will be lead to the smoking gun.

Sam Malone. Are you for real? You ever seen rioting in the streets of any country and what happens to the shops? Look at LA during its riots? I would not have gone into a store and taken anything--even if there was no one looking--but that's just how I was raised. There are lots of people that will take anything that’s free-if given a chance.

You are right, Obama is only for a short time, but the Obamacare entitlement is FOREVER!

--You mean like PETA and burning of all those gas guzzlers?
--All the voter intimidation violence by SIEU?
--You mean like the violence what goes on at every G8 summit?
--You mean how the media is biased in what they show of extremist on one side vs. the other?

See current immigration reform debate-aka amnesty. Actually, I have no problem with allowing 12million illegal’s into this country—GRANTED they should go through an "Ellis Island" type program. They HAVE to take English courses and pass an English exam. Take courses on what it means to be an American and what this country stands for and learn the constitution. Assimilate into America culture—of course, there is nothing wrong with keeping your cultural traditions. My wife and I did and we only speak English at home with our kids—however, we still go and participate in our cultural events. There is no LAW against knowing more than one language. Assimilate and enjoy the freedom provide by this country—but never forget that FREEDOM is not FREE and it can be taken away from you.
However, this is not what the Progressives want, they just want to bring in the illegal’s, give them all the rights of US citizens and encourage them NOT to assimilate--so they can keep getting the entitlement votes of the newly "suppressed" minority. This is a huge disservice to the new immigrants.

See the following link from the New York Times my friend:
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/30/business/economy/30states.html

To be continued....

 

Are you for real? Compare the amount given to those in need by Americans to that of any country in the world. This should not even be a topic of discussion. I have head Obama is now pushing for gift donations to charities to be non-tax deductible. You already see, what ATT and other companies are doing--removing benefits to retirees. It’s a domino effect, force us to give and we will fight you tooth and nail.

The viewpoints are meant to be bookends of opposite sides of the battle line.

Constitution that created the most powerful country in the history in the world= 17 pages.
Obamacare=2000+ pages.
I admit, I believe in the tried and true "KISS" principle: "Keep It Simple Stupid". It has made me fairly successfully in my personal and professional life.

I mean this all due respect, but I am only interested in your “side”, if it is the same viewpoint as that of Obama, Nancy and Reid. They are who I have a fundamental difference of opinion with. So, please provide the details of the political believes of Obama, Nancy and Reid and their political agenda. I am very interested in your thoughts of THEIR vision for this country.

The organizer of the Coffee Party is one of Obama campaigns lead organizer. This group was started to only counter the Tea Party. However, just like talk radio, the progressive agenda has no true traction and following in the mainstream American society. See link below.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/coffee-party-founder-is-obama-campaign-operative.html

There is no doubt that there are those that want to rewrite the history of this great nation. See link: http://www.ustreas.gov/education/fact-sheets/currency/in-god-we-trust.shtml
However, there are those of us that shall stand as “watchers in the night”, to be vigilant against those who will try to “fundamentally transform” our country-- while we are sleeping. America, do not fear, for those of us that were asleep have now awoken and are coming to your aid! (And yes, I know what you are going to say…)

With all due respect, I guess I will just have to join all the other “uneducated” voters in New Jersey, Virginia and Massachusetts.

Duly noted! Enjoyed the discussion! Hope you have not taken any of my opinions as a personal attack on you—this was not my intention.

And to end on a positive note: At least, we have one thing in common—we both LOVE the Rockets!

 

I believe you misunderstand my stance, I still will vote for Bush over Gore or Kerry any day of the week and twice on Sundays. Bush main error was in trying to be a liberal in spending to appease the progressives. I am very happy with this stand on national security issues--and for that alone he will always have my thanks.

Bush strayed from the fiscally responsible path. But, please don't mistake a minor family squabble for signs of divorce.