IMHO, the growing frustration in America is about MORE than.....

The growing frustration in America stems from the fact its not THE badass nation of the world anymore, and its influence and dominance is slowly waning. America peaked in the 90s-early 00s with Clinton, bro.

 

It's just the same have and have not struggle that started with Neanderthals except now it's on a 24 hour news cycle and now everyone has an outlet to tell the world what they think.

The top 5% of Americans still control 50% of all the wealth including the media so they are going to dictate the discussion. i.e. the crappy HCR that benefits big insurance most is somehow the "socialization" of America. Not even close.

If you are not in the top percentage of Americans and you are not for sharing the national wealth then you have been convinced to support a cause against your own interest.

Everything is always about the money.

 

does not compute...

 

very true

BrotherFish doesn't want debate, he wants to lecture.

no thanks

 

I think you really have to define what a liberal really means. I think you've drawn a line in the sand that others might not agree with. By definition, you're right if you think liberals values are hippies who don't work and live off the system with loose moral systems. However, most whom considers themselves liberals don't fit that profile. I can see that your image of what a liberal is don't coincide with their own definitions.

Someone once told me, "When a Democrat hears the word 'entitlement' he/she thinks about the millions in corporate and agriculture agricultural subsidies and when a Republican hears the word he/she thinks of welfare and social programs" I'm not sure what's worse and I'm against both to some degree.

As for most Americans being more conservative, I disagree. Again, it comes down to your definition. Remember, most moderate Liberalism as defined by half of America is not raising your kids to do drugs and other extremes, but to respect other's point of view, be socially sensitive, don't judge on basis of race and help those less better off than yourself. Those are what moderate liberals considers their values and I find that real Americans are raised that way, even more so than most western Europeans. A friend told me he saw people wearing racist shirts of Obama walking around in Germany and no one gave a second glance. That would not be acceptable to most Americans and our values (or at least most Americans).

The political climate in congress is largely manufactured. I've never seen it this polarized before. For example, the dept you keep on mentioning. We always had it. It wasn't as big, but it's all relative. Three trillion in the 00's did SEEMED like 10trillion today. It's certainly something to worry about but the difference in political climate (mass hysteria vs a troubling issue) is largely artificial. As my Poli-Sci prof once told me, revolutions doesn't happen because people have it bad, but rather because there's someone telling them they have it bad. The political strategist has understood the human psyche down to a science, especially the Republicans. That's why I have a tremendous respect Rove even though I don't agree with him. Say what you will but he's a genius who changed politics (for better or worse) to what it is today.

Once you strip out the talking points and realize that Liberals don't see themselves as entitlement babies or extremist. Once you realize that then you get the real picture.

 

I'll tell you what, why don't you think about why the CBO was so off on these numbers and when you come up with that answer (not the irrational, neocon answer that you will inevitably come up with), then you'll know why your party that holds these such great values is no longer in power and why these ridiculous criticisms they have now ring so hollow it makes my head want to explode.

 

the CBO needs to go back and restate its "earnings," similar to what Verizon, ATT, Caterpillar, and many others are now doing, an eventuality apparently not contemplated by Henry Waxman, who is not only ignorant of GAAP, but also SarBox, oddly, since he voted for the latter. perhaps he didn't read that bill either.

 

I hope this political climate continues to expose your ilk for the charlatans you are. The sooner I can get back what I thought the GOP was supposed to be, the sooner I can start voting Republican again.

But first, you have to get rid of the crazies.

 

No, you seem to be on a roll.

Why don't you tell us all about this proof that America is waking up to...what exactly?

 

This may be woefully obtuse because I don't know what buzzwords like "progressive" mean, but...

Why is progress bad?

 

What growing frustration? Seems to be the same frustrated people as those showing up to Palin rallies in 2008.

 

The CBO revises it's estimates every year with each new budget, and provides adjusted estimates for eachbill it scores. I'm not sure what you're talking about if those don't count.

 

Did you not get one or does this mean I should keep the amount of my reparations check a secret?