If Golden State was offered AB + 2 picks for Curry, they would laugh in the rocket's face. Thats how good Curry is.
If Hayes, Ariza, and Battier are AB's supporting cast, we are heading to the lottery for the next 4 years. Fortunately, they are not. I think even without Yao we would be a playoff team next season due to the additions of Martin and Hill. In my opinion a full season of: -An improved AB -A healthy Martin -A healthy elite defender in Battier -A fully adjusted beast mode Scola -An improved sophomore Hill Would be a 7-8 seed playoff team.
If RA's offense doesn't run through PG, so why he gets so many TOs? You still can't explain that. He should get less Tos if offense doesn't run through him. REality is, even in RA's system, PG needs to control the flow and control the ball and pass to open man. Ast/TO is still much better indication of decision making than assists or TOs only. LOL. "being corrected" by something completely false? That is not the thing I'm gonna accept. And you are calling me ignorant. LOL. what you said on Conroy can be said on AB too. Even if AB has more room to improve(a big if here), he can't reach the ceiling of Dwill.
I LOVE AB.....think he is top 10 now and getting better, but I would take Curry so fast it would make your head spin. DD
So it's "completely false" huh? Well, take it up with Daryl Morey, we appear to be at an impasse, since you can't understand that the numbers are not directly comparable and it is difficult (if not impossible) to know what the differences in assists/turnovers would be for Brooks in a different system. When did I ever say Brooks has the same ceiling as D-Will? He will probably never be as good as D-Will; certainly he will never be the same kind of point guard. But AB doesn't need to be a top 3 point guard to be a star or "elite" player. He can be a top 5 and I'd be just fine with that.
Of course, I wanted Curry last year, he is gonna be really special if Don Nelson doesn't screw him up. They should jettison Ellis, he is redundant now, get someone that can subjegate themselves to Curry, it is his team and his style is more about winning than Monta's is. DD
AB is a borderline all star who is a tier below the Williams Paul Nash of the league and on par with the Roses Rondos and Wesbrooks, slightly better than the rookies. AB also has less upside compared to all the above players minus Nash. Now is everyone happy?
We don't know what his upside is.......I doubt he has reached it, he is better now than he was at the beginning of the year, I think he will get incrementaly better next year too. DD
Nelson might be old and getting senile, but he recognizes pure talent when he sees it. He ain't no D'Antoni.
I would take at least 3 rookies over AB, and it's not even close. Evans, Jennings, Collison. All three are way better with way more potential than current AB. That being said, AB is really good and probably could be one of top 15 pgs in the league.
Completely false means you try to take TO numbers over ast/To ratio when you talk about decision making. That is completely false. Even in the same system, Lowry has a better ast/To ratio than Ab, and most posters seems to agree Lowry is the better decision maker. When AB can't even compare with Lowry, you compare him wih CP3 and Nash. Talk about bad logic and overrating. What Morey said is irrelevant here. Low assist doesn't warrant high Tos. Cool, after "all-star" standards being lowered, "frnachise player" standards being lowerd, now "elite player" standars being lowered as well. Not to mention AB is nowhere near top 5 PG yet. Are you gonna lower the "elite" status to top 10 or top 20 for each position?
Evans= chucker Collison - too small a sample size though I like him a lot too. Jennings = one great game, lots of underwhelming ones....AB is better than him. DD
I actually never said turnovers are the ONLY basis for analyzing decision making. It is obvious that they are not. My point is that Ast/To is not valid as the sole basis for analyzing decisionmaking either, and in fact is a very poor stat for that purpose in Rick Adelman's system. Neither of them works, all you can get are small pieces of the picture. The reason I have pointed out AB's low turnover numbers is because many have incorrectly used his turnover rate as a reason to attack him and tear him down. Also, what is wrong with saying that top 5 players at their positions are "elite"? I think that is a fine selection criteria. That is somewhere around the best 5-10% of players at their position in the league (assuming each team carries around 2-3 players for each position).
Oh, you didn't say TOs are the only basis. But when talk about decision making, you use TOs as your argument to show AB is not a below average. After you got exposed, now you play your denial game as usual. Top 5 at each positon means 25 elite players in NBA, which I think is too many. But if you insist, I'll respect that. you on that,you use yours, I use mine. However, AB is not top 5 yet. Even with your standards. AB is not "elite". So please don't call him "elite" until he reaches top 5.
Maybe we can get some of those nifty Chinese national team guards to pass Yao the ball. Oh, wait, they have trouble with that too.....huh......I wonder if the real problem is not the guards but Yao himself? DD
No, I wasn't, but thanks for putting words in my mouth. No, I wasn't, but thanks for putting words in my mouth. Agreed, but he could easily become a top 5 point guard down the road. I didn't, I said he could become an elite point guard in the future, perhaps as soon as next season, depending on how he plays.
