Osama, David Koresh, Jim Jones, David Mitchell Etc...etc...etc... All religios leaders..... Seems to me the only difference between these wackos and other founders of certain religions is that they got published. DD
The Horns and pgabriel, y'all didn't read the article too carefully: <B> </b> We're talking about strangers here, not family members.
I didn't read it at all, my bad, I would be curious to see the stats as time passes. We are talking about 9 months. That's the issue I am and TheHorns is stressing.
I didn't read it closely either, oh well its that damn UT education. RM, see it pays to go to SWT! Yea, the length of time is really odd. I would like to see some stats on how many that are abducted by strangers are returned in 1 day, 1 week, 1 month, 2 months ... Do you think you could find that somewhere RM?
Obviously, I didn't either! It took me a few hours to respond to y'all. No, probably not. I'm sure y'all are right on that aspect though...the more time that goes by, the less likely they're going to be found or returned alive.
I noticed the same thing, but it seems like she is just maturing. Not to sound like a freak or anything, but there look to be a couple of other things that have gotten larger since her last photograph or videos were taken. I assume it's just her getting older and becoming a woman.
She looks a little like Kim Bauer from 24 to me. When I heard she had been found, I half expected to hear that she had gotten her foot stuck in a trap and almost attacked by a mountain lion only to have Matt Dillion's brother rescue her, let her shower and then trick her into thinking a nuclear bomb had gone off in Los Angeles. But in all seriousness, the fact that her case may be unique doesn't mean that it's also not the truth. For every rule, there is an exception. I'm happy she's alive and hope she has as happy and stress-free a life as possible from here on out.
Her dad looks extremely phony to me: She looks kinda nervous next to her dad in this one: He especially looks like a phony in these ones: She looks so nervous around her dad:
Come on, RM95, don't you see the point? A normal kidnapped 15-year-old would be the picture of comfort and happiness after a nine-month freak-fest! I'm sure any human touch, even from a family member, would be automatically welcome after what she's gone through.
OK, I think she ran away from home now or she wasn't happy or something was up. The guy who kidnapped her was arrested in San Diego and was in custody when he appeared on America's most wanted, so the only person watching her was the wife for an extended period. She might have actually gone to the police station to get her kidnapper out of the pokie. http://www.thesmokinggun.com/ MARCH 13--Brian David Mitchell, the vagrant suspected in the kidnapping of Utah teenager Elizabeth Smart, spent a week in a San Diego jail last month on a vandalism charge, but Salt Lake City cops probing the abduction and searching for Mitchell did not learn of the bust until after Mitchell's arrest yesterday. According to a court complaint (which you'll find below) and police records, Mitchell--booked under the alias Michael Jenson--was nabbed February 12 for burglarizing a church. Mitchell was held in a local lockup until February 18, when he was released after entering a guilty plea to a reduced misdemeanor charge of vandalism. Mitchell--who gave San Diego cops a birth date of October 17, 1954--was fined $150 and sentenced to three years probation. Remarkably, Mitchell was sitting in a California prison cell on February 15 when "America's Most Wanted" first broadcast his name (along with a color photograph and a previously distributed composite sketch) as a suspect in the Smart abduction. It appears that Mitchell was able to slip through law enforcement's fingers because, when arrested in mid-February, he gave cops the phony "Michael Jenson" name and, since he had apparently not been previously fingerprinted, a check with the National Crime Information Center (NCIC) and California's automated fingerprint system turned up nothing, said Chris Saunders, a spokesperson for the San Diego Sheriff's Office. In addition, the birth date he gave California officials was slightly different from his real one, October 18, 1953. It wasn't until March 1--after Mitchell's release from the California lockup--that Salt Lake City cops sent out a nationwide bulletin via NCIC noting their interest in Mitchell in connection with the Smart disappearance. But even at that point, San Diego cops would have been unaware that the drifter they had jailed as "Michael Jenson" was, in fact, Mitchell. That connection was not made by law enforcement officials until after Mitchell's arrest yesterday, when mug shots and fingerprints from the two arrests could be compared. (2 pages)
From the warriorsworld (Golden State Warriors) message board BOMBSHELL: 'YOU THINK I AM THE GIRL WHO RAN AWAY,' SMART TOLD COP "You guys think I'm that Elizabeth Smart girl who ran away," Elizabeth Smart challenged police officer Bill O'Neal the moment she was found by authorities. Smart's startling words have ignited a firestorm around Salt Lake City: Was the teen unknowingly conveying the unthinkable -- she deliberately ran away from home?! While local and federal authorities work on the likely premise the girl was taken by force and later brainwashed, questions of a possible runaway scenario began to creep into the picture, sources said late Thursday. One top federal source said the case remains "utterly baffling." Dressed in a wig, veil and sunglasses, Smart told the police officers who discovered her Wednesday in the Salt Lake City suburb of Sandy that her name was "Augustine." She said that the couple accompanying her - Brian Mitchell and his wife, Wanda Barzee - were her parents. But police became suspicious of the young girl who kept calling herself "Augustine". "She said she's a child from God, a minister of the Church of Christ and she along with her parents are passing on the gospel throughout the United States," said officer Victor Quesada. Smart became agitated when officers asked her to remove her wig and sunglasses, and told them she recently had eye surgery. "She kind of just blurted out, 'I know who you think I am. You guys think I'm that Elizabeth Smart girl who ran away,''' officer O'Neal said. For nearly 30-minutes, she denied she was Elizabeth. [Is it possible for someone who had been completely brainwashed to simply rebound hours later? Elizabeth shared hugs and jokes with her parents, siblings and extended family just hours after being separated from her Mitchell and Barzee. Elizabeth even gave an impromptu harp concert. "Just when did the deprogramming occur here?" asked one case insider.] KNIFE OR GUN? Elizabeth's father, Ed Smart, said the little miss described being taken from her home last June at knife point. At the time, Elizabeth's sister, Mary Katherine, then 9, said Elizabeth was taken by a man with a gun. MORE Unidentified fingerprints found in the bedroom of Elizabeth Smart were compared to 84 thousand fingerprints on record -- including those of suspect Brian David Mitchell -- without a match ever being made, the AP reported late Thursday. Meanwhile, intrigue swirls around the period of time Elizabeth Smart stayed in a basement apartment -- a block from a Salt Lake police station! Elizabeth didn't seem in danger and expressed no fear of her captors, claims the man who rents the studio. He said she had opportunity to escape the apartment or call police at night. "I figured she could have called the cops if she wanted,'' Daniel Trotta, 24, told reporters.
I don't think Ed Smart is "suspicious" or "phony". A father who lost his daughter for 8-9 months is emotional - I think calling that "phony" is lame. Sorry. Woofer -- I do think we don't know all the facts, but I don't think you can jump to the conclusion that she "wanted" to leave. To make that assumption, one would have to conclude she was in cohoots with this nut job and wanted to leave with him. If I'm not mistaken, he worked at their house like a year previous, and only for 5 hours or so. Or she wasn't planning with him, but wanted to leave and this was a huge coincidence: "Thanks for kidnapping me .... I was about to runaway anyhow!". I don't think the theory works at all, but I don't know any more than anyone else. I think the more likely possibility is that she was controlled - or made to be obedient out of fear or some sort of psychological mindgames. "You saw how easily I broke in to your house - I could do it again and kill your entire family". Not that I have even the slightest idea, but it's a possibility. It's frustrating to see that she has been out in public with these freaks and all she had to do was say who she was to someone, or slip a piece of paper to someone .... but who knows what she's been through or was made to believe. Who knows though. I, like everyone else, am curious to know what really happened here - but if she was sexually assaulted, I really do hope they can keep that under wraps. Some journalist will probably publish the first nugget he can find in that regard though. Fatty FatBastard - fearing for you or your child's safety in <I>Utah</I> when you live in <I>Texas</I> is pretty funny.
montelwilliams - just an FYI ... that isn't from a Golden State Warriors site but rather from the Drudge Report (link)
They call it he Stockholm effect. Kidnapped victims and prosoners of war start identifying with their capturers, if they are at all nice to them. Remember Patty Hearst, who was in her early 20's. She actually did holdups with her capturers. This kid was only 14 when abducted. Give her a break.
