Kinda like Livan Hernandez's WS MVP. He was the emotional selection, but not the correct selection. Moises Alou was the real 1997 WS MVP; Maurice Jones-Drew was easily the proper 2006 OROY. Their actual, measurable contribution to their team's offense really isn't close.
A crappy QB that can't pass yet still managed to beat us on our home turf with his legs..... Vince really needs to improve on his passing to be more than just a running QB. But you can't deny the impact he had on the team last season. Or actually deny all you want. I kinda put more weight in the opinions of his coaches and teammates. It's also funny that the same QB who can't pass went to a team just as bad as ours when drafted, that was just as bad as ours before he hit the line-up...and they somehow have been above the Texans ever since...with the only major change being him (especially last season). All coincidence though......
in other words, "i agree with ric's argument, so he must be right, because i'm always right" thanks for proving my point, as if ric has never ever ever ever been irrational in his defense of mario, its all our faults i never called you a name, you're the one who acts like i should be thanking god you didn't pull the "search function" out on me. so now we're members of the cult. again, thanks for being so above it all
Everyone knew VY was gonna have a real hard time this year since the offense actually got worse personel over the offseason. To bad they will still kick our a$$.
derail. derail. derail. that and insults are the only weapons you have. and for the record, i didn't apologize because i had no reason to apologize -- even after you had the chance to call me out and then be done with it (long after i admitted my mistake, if you'll recall)... you STILL engaged me on my point. meaning you obviously still felt the same way... i was just a week late in responding. so what did i have to be sorry about? for (coughcoughcorrectlycoughcough) stating you didn't watch the game? psheesh.....
This is the funniest part of the argument. Certainly this year is a bit different, but to argue that Vince wasn't a franchise-changing player last year, you have to ignore the actual improvement on the field by the team, all of the opinions of his teammates and coaches, ignore all the history he has winning games without necessarily having "wow" statistics, etc and just attribute it all to blind luck. That the day that Vince took over, everything else happened to click into place perfectly. It's the most absurd thing on the planet, yet that's the argument that people tried to make all last year.
Forgive me...I don't recall many scouts, coaches, other players, etc saying those kind of things about Vince. I don't really put much weight into what UT homers say, the same way I don't put much weight into when Rockets fans say Yao will be better than Hakeem, Scola will win rookie of the year, etc.... Vince is not the greatest thing since sliced bread. But it’s silly to me to say he didn’t have a major impact last season when the team was completely different with and without him, with everything else staying the same. Yes, he really needs to work on his passing, but considering that most QB’s don’t even make any type of impact this early in their careers (look at the other young QB’s in the league) and what was expected of him when drafted (project) I would say he is ahead of the curve…especially since his team went from the bottom with us to WINNING (not all on him but let’s not deny his impact). Considering that we dropped the QB we chose to keep over him and heavily paid for another I don’t see how anyone can say it wasn’t a mistake to draft him, from a football side and definitely a business one.
um, i'm responding to someone using that thread as an example of a lack of your objectivity, and it clearly was further proving point (a) just above this quote how silly some are for being so proud to have more closely watched the game the others. you're right, you probably watched it twice, which we be more times than me. if it comforts you ric, i didn't watch the texans game this past sunday, so you can be finally right
i, for one, am glad we're discussing this again. i think VY will be a good QB. i thought it before. i think it now. i did not think he would play much at all in his rookie year. i never envisioned him being even as good as he was in his rookie year.
Can't believe you still don't get it. Vince Young doesn't have a record. The Titans' record is 5-3. Vince has done very little to make that 5 number a '5'. Actually, I was referring to 2007. The defense was pretty consistent throughout last year, save two early blowouts to Dallas and San Diego (nothing to be ashamed of). Teams. Win. Games. It's really not that hard. No, thanks. If you never said that, cool. There's been so much back-and-forth on this I'm sure I've mixed your commentary up with others. My bad. Glad to oblige you. Oh, and teams win games, not QBs who can't throw.
For the record, Ice, I agree with this statement. I'm not in the camp that goes so far as to say intangibles and leadership are hogwash. They just get overplayed is all. Vince Young had what to me was an undeniable impact on his team last year. I don't think he was OROY material, but I agree it'd be foolish to deny his impact--LAST year. 2007, however, has been a different story. He's been largely ineffective. This is all reasonable to me. Considering that we dropped the QB we chose to keep over him and heavily paid for another I don’t see how anyone can say it wasn’t a mistake to draft him, from a football side and definitely a business one.[/QUOTE]
Bah. Those blasts are directed at everyone who foolishly compares Vince Young to Michael Jordan, which is just as inane as declaring him a bust. He is neither.
i can't argue that vince adds more to the game than just stats. maybe it is b/c he's trying to change his game. but he doesn't look comfortable at all in the pocket. i guess it's like trying to turn T-mac into a point guard. sure he can do it, but he'll never be as effective as he would playing his own game.
Because even Sage is many times better than KY.[/QUOTE] That what you quoted was from someone else's post; I just forgot to edit it out. I thought I had deleted that part, as I didn't want to offer any commentary on it specifically.
