what?... i've been blowing holes in the hype surrounding vince young for about a year now, pgabriel. whereas your oh-so-convienient, "it's not like he's joe montana" rhetoric is about 15 seconds old. wasn't baby vince supposed to redefine the position, win multiple super bowls, make the texans rue the day they passed on him, just win games, etc. etc.? again, you've been reduced to "look! no, no not here, there!" tactics - what do the texans sucking have to do with baby vince? but we're the ones in drowning our sorrows in someone else's misfortune, huh....?
I can't speak for Ric, but I know that I personally would never, or very rarely speak about Vince if it weren't for his rabid legions of supplicants who view anything but worshipful adoration as an insult to Young's character. Vince Young, Matt Leinart, Jay Cutler are all on the same level in my book. All three second year quarterbacks with much to prove. All three have a chance to be good NFL QBs. All three are far from finished products. But I never speak ill of Cutler or Leinart, and most people wouldn't view it as a personal insult if I say that Jay Cutler is up and down often plays like a rookie, or if I say that he is not the reason for whatever success the Broncos have had. But say the same of Vince??? People scream bloody murder.
no, I have been reduced to his team is still 6-3 so I don't know how the "vince wins games" argument is disproven. he didn't play well, they lost, it kind of proves the point. as for your other proclamations, again, its halfway through year two, so lets just wait and see how the career pans out. enjoy this rough patch right now, which you're clearly doing.
The defense didn't play well for once. Vince played about the same (worst starting qb in the NFL). Nothing brings me more enjoyment than Vince and The Titans sucking. That's how a real Houston fan always feels.
Vince did not post great numbers last year but prior to him taking snaps the exact same team was sucking, and post Vince they became competitive. This is a fact. Numbers don't always tell the whole story. Stop trying to dismiss the impact that he had last season. The Titans looked like two completely different teams pre/post Vince.
Nope. I mean you, who scream at Ric for speaking about Vince with anything but abject adoration. I mean the 1,000,000 UT fans that suffered coronary embolisms and have spent 18 months trashing the Texans for the unmentionable crime of not choosing the savior of all mankind. I speak of the legions that convince themselves that Vince Young's rookie season was enough to send him to Canton despite a 66.7 passer rating because of some magic, unquantifiable winning voodoo power that enables him to be the sole cause of victories despite having a horrible day. In general, I view tinman like I view Kam - the town jester or the class clown. I never take anything he writes seriously or at face value and as such he will never upset me. He is comic relief (and very good at being comic relief). Since we have the search function back, I could go look up the posts from millions of militant fans. For a couple of seconds I thought about doing that, but changed my mind. It would be like feeling compelled to provide evidence if I had said the sun rises in the east; the disconnect with reality on the subject of Vince Young should be apparent to all. The same effect was true to a lesser degree for the other greatest player of all time available in that draft - Reggie Bush. But I guess like Heaven’s Gate members who killed themselves to visit the mothership, it must be difficult to see your own collective insanity from the inside.
funny, that's what the vince supporters claim him to be. or to put it more accurately, the micheal jordan of the nfl. and true, if you're a texan fan or a vince fan, it's difficult to be objective. but there's no denying, Young and Williams have sucked for their respective teams.
yeah, ric is quite the objective one, espcially when he jumped on me for critcizing d-line play a week late thinking i started it after the titan game, always calling him babby vince, and never apologizing to me about the reason I started that thread. yeah, ric is truly objective and us vince fans are the problem. stick to the d&d please. ooooh, i'm shaking in my lite blue boots thanks for being so above it all, just like in the d&d, the only thing you've proven is that you think you're better than everyone else
coincidences are not facts. the single biggest change over the second half of last season is the development of tennessee's O and D lines, which have grown into powerhouses and are now the team's foundation.
Sure there's "denying". Both are certainly arguable. The only thing "there's no denying" about is that that is your opinion.
What holes have you blown? Vince made the pro-bowl last season and won rookie of the year. His team went from sucking without him to being competitive and winning games with him. He was clearly the best rookie last season. Most considered him to be a project when he went pro and he had a pretty successful rookie campaign (most rookie QB’s don’t even start). With all that being said he has regressed this season. I don’t recall many saying VY would redefine the position (most said he couldn’t throw and predicted him to fail). Who said he would win multiple super bowls? As far as making the Texans regret drafting him, I would say he has already done that. He beat us twice (division opponent), including one game winning play in Houston. When the Titans play here a good majority of the city and folks attending the game are rooting for them mainly because of Vince. We dropped the QB that we kept over Vince one year later, and possibly overpaid to get another project QB. Yes, if the team could do it all again my money goes on them picking VY. Vince is playing poorly this season. His production is no worse than Bush or Mario and I would still take him #1 for Houston based on the situation that the team was in last season.
WOW!! Swing and a miss!! He hasn't played well ALL YEAR. Let me correct your wildly inaccurate statement: "The defense didn't play well; they lost. It kind of proves the point." As far as the "vince wins games" argument being disproven: Teams win games. That is the beginning and the end of the discussion. Everything else is mindless drivel. ...unless we're discussing Mario Williams. Ah, how convenient it must be to speak from both sides of the mouth.
Yeah, a crappy qb that can't pass. That's exactly what the Texans need (to be a winless team and get the #1 pick again).
There is no statistical data to support those claims either. The Titans coaches don't say we turned the season because of our line play. Teammates last season did not say we started playing better because our line play improved. They all said we started playing better once we got a gamebreaker at the QB position with a penchant for making big plays (plays that he is not making this season). Again, deny all you want...but pre Vince the exact same teammates were losing.
okay, 5-3, his record is terrible Again, its a miracle that defense turned around as soon as he became the starter disproven by what since the search function is back on, please show me where i declared mario a bust. i accept your apology in advance thx
Again, the root of the problem occured 18 months ago when the Texans passed on Vince Young. All the reactions by Ric and others are just that - reactions. Nice. Way to actually return with a rational response. Perhaps you should stick to the maelstrom of name callling that is the GARM. Actually, I just think I am outside the Cult of Vince. Some of those Heaven's Gate people were certanly smarter than me. I think a couple of them were very accomplished aerospace engineers or worked at JPL or something. But they had the misfortune of being suckered in by the cult. I'm not better than you. I just happened to end up on the outside in the objective world.
