so much wrong with this, i couldn't decide on just one response... so you admit he had a bad season last year? so what's his excuse this year? what does david carr have to do with this? are you actually comparing him to david carr?
Maybe Vince. Doubtful on Mario and Bush. I'm confused as to why you think Bush had a good rookie season. Compared to the other 2006 RB rookies, Bush was mediocre to below average at best. If you look at the 2006 stats of rookie running backs (and to be fair, ONLY those with 99+ rushing attempts, of which there are a total of 9), here is Bush's rankings: Yds: 7th out of 9 Avg: 9th out of 9 Yds/G: 8th out of 9 TDs: T4th out of 9 Long: 9th out of 9 Fumbles: T1st out of 9 (higher is worse) And don't forget about the heinous 11 ATT, -5 YD game he put up against Tampa Bay last year... Project or not, all three top picks have sucked so far.
My point is that Julius Peppers, from Day #1 of the 2001 season, was nationally recognized as one of the best players in college football and widely known to be a top NFL talent. Mario Williams, was not. Even during the season, he was recognized as a really good player - a top 10 or 15 type pick. He really blew up on the national scene when he wowed people at the combine. As someone who prefers college football to the pros, I know most of the bigtime national players. Of course I'd heard of Juice Williams - but not in any conversation about the best players in the game - and he still isn't. All I really knew was that he was a dual-threat QB of Illinois. Now, all I know is that he's a dual-threat QB of Illinois that had a great game and beat Ohio State. That's a perfect example. If he suddenly blows up at the combine and becomes a top pick, he'll have followed a similar path to Mario Williams.
where did i admit that he's having a bad season, nothing wrong with that, they're still in front of the texans, the pathetic issue with these posts is this is all "die hard" texan fans have to be happy about, and the titans are still better just dubious how you choose to defend him and lambast vince when one is in his sixth year and one is not even through his second and his team is on their way to the playoffs see above, its pathetic but i guess your season is made as a texans fan because you have nothing else to root for have fun, vince sucks wouldn't want to compare him to someone's who's career is basically over
Actually, DE Manny Lawson was picked at #22, DT John McCargo was picked at #26. So that's 3 out of 4 members of the D-Line in the first round. I believe the 4th was a junior and came out this past year and was drafted in the 3rd round - but I'm not positive.
You obviously don't listen much....I went Beano Cook on Vince when he was a senior at Madison, and predicted he'd win multiple Heismans at Texas. Vince was the best high school player I have ever seen. I think you should sympathize with me in that I have to be objective about Vince considering the jaded rhetoric I have to deal with from my co-host Mon-Fri on the topic from 2-6pm.
who else was in that draft... 1 Houston Texans Mario Williams Defensive end North Carolina State 2 New Orleans Saints Reggie Bush Running back Southern California 3 Tennessee Titans Vince Young Quarterback Texas 4 New York Jets D'Brickashaw Ferguson Offensive tackle Virginia 5 Green Bay Packers A. J. Hawk Linebacker Ohio State 6 San Francisco 49ers Vernon Davis Tight end Maryland 7 Oakland Raiders Michael Huff Safety Texas 8 Buffalo Bills Donte Whitner Safety Ohio State 9 Detroit Lions Ernie Sims Linebacker Florida State 10 Arizona Cardinals Matt Leinart Quarterback Southern California seriously that has to be one of the worst drafts in history. the top 3 players are average/belowavg at best in there positions so far into their careers. Lienart so far is a bust. Hawk has dissapointed in GreenBay. Really a bunch of marginal players. If you get a do-over, of those 10 who do you take? I say no-one and trade down but there are no do-overs and when looking at that list wario doesn't look so bad.
you've never started a vince thread till he has a bad game in the houston market. i know you were one of the ones on your station who didn't want the texans to draft him. most people aren't objective about vince unfortunately, that's why i doubt the thread was started out of objectiveness. but that's just my opinion. the guy is in his second year in the nfl and people are acting like he's supposed to be joe montana
when, rather than defending him or his numbers, you reminded us he was a rookie and then made david carr, QB of an expansion franchise, the measuring stick. i don't believe anyone has said otherwise, have they? are we even debating the two teams? well, let's not print playoff tickets just yet. and if they DON'T make the playoffs. btw, the lack of even of a mediocre passing game will be the reason why. and i'm not "lambasting" young; merely correctly pointing out that when you slice away the layers and layers of overinflated hype that engulfed his rookie season, it was, by any individual measure, a bad year for a QB. why, did they cancel the texans' final 7 games? zing! call canton: vince young is better than david carr.
Ernie Simms has actually been very good for the Lions and probably the best out of the top 10 drafted that year.
wow. just wow. re: manny lawson, he wasn't a LB in college? maybe not. doesn't change the fact peppers had a really good DT next him.
oh ric you just couldn't wait till they lost. have fun your pathetic victiory. hey, the team I love sucks but at least vince does to. its funny, really
i think it points to how good/advanced the league is these days. look back at when, say, earl campbell came into the league. he was instantly, 1 second after being drafted, one of the 10 or 15 best players in football. that doesn't happen these days. the league is so big and fast and skilled, that even a guy like bush, who was a man among boys on saturdays, struggles because he's no longer the most gifted athlete on the field. not by a long shot. the best, most successful rookies, by and large - not always - come into favorable/winning situations. look at AP - great, great back. but he also happened to be selected by a team that's spent a few years really improving their OL. so he can step in and make a difference. would he be having the same success with, say, the texans? who have struggled in run blocking this year?...
well, if you are using david carr to compare vince to, then i guess you have lowered your expectations a bit. Trent Dilfer still got insulted in this thread.
