Here's what worries me about Bush- attitude. He's not made too many friends on the Saints. He already thinks he's Jesus in cleats. Vince, as tough a year as he's had, still maintains the respect of his teammates. We've already seen him up his game at UT, where Reggie's really never had any adversity. If the last two years has taught us anything, it's not to make snap judgments, but I sure like what I see from Mario and what his coaches have been saying about him. Great stuff.
What the heck?,...Mario is suddenly looking like a Julius Peppers-Micheal Stratham crossbreed. The scary thing is he almost had 5 sacks in this one game! His improvement is downright scary...All I know right now is I want to thank the Houston Texans for selecting Mario Williams #1!....
Mario is a beast this season. His 2nd season. How are those other top 3 picks doing? Oh that's right...they still have many more years left in their career.....so does Mario...More of this. SUPER MARIO!!!!
RE: Buyer's Remorse Tennessee and especially Bud Adams will never have buyer's remorse. This is like Ohio State - Michigan. You can go 0-fer the season but if you beat the other guy, you had a great year. If you cant beat he other guy, 10-1 just aint going to cut it.(Ask John Cooper) Vince Young will always have better career numbers against the Texans. He will average more per rush, more per throw, complete a higher percentage of passes, score more TDs, throw more TDs per game against the Texans than against the rest of the league. Tennessee may never win a Super Bowl with Vince Young. But Young will always bring his A+ game against Houston. Bud Adams wasted no time taking him because he knew this. Young was ALSO skipped by the Saints. But he wasnt from New Orleans so its not personal there. There is no surprise to me that Young had the best looking passing game of his career against the Texans the last time the two teams met. And yes, unlike college, it will be very possible for the Texans to go to a Super Bowl even if Tennessee wins the season series 2-0.
Mario look GREAT! Before the game I said he was deserving of a pro bowl and probably would go, now it is a slam dunk he will be. Talentwise he is overall #1 material and could become one of the better defensive players in the league. One could go with a Kerse or Peppers as a comparison. I would add Bruce Smith as an upper end too (not so much Reggie White or Strahan, were most of their advantage comes from power and quickness is secondary). The Texans for now certainly don't have eggs on the faces, Mario has shown a lot more than Bush and that one isn't close. But let's not pretend the VY debate is closed (they have yet to beat him, or catch last year's ROY in the standings for that matter, nor do they have long term QB issues completely settled), but the Texans have fully justified what they were thinking when deciding between Bush and MW. Also, QB play on both sides were mixed. Cutler had a lot of real strong and accurate throws, but also at least 4-5 bad decisions or bad throws the Texan defenders could have made INTs on and didn't, including on the initial point scoring drives. Cutler was also indicisive--took sacks when he should have thrown the ball away, and had a couple 4th down plays he didn't give his guys any chance at. Also, Sage had a terrible throw/decision that allowed the Broncos a second chace to stay in the game. His middle of the game performance was really bad or the Texas would have had it sown up in the 3rd quarter. Sage is a good back-up and can give you some solid games, but if he is your starter you have a well below average starter.
Bud wasted no time in picking him because he was by far the best talent on the board and had done well with another QB with similar physical gifts but even more questions (McNair). The reason Hou and NO didn't consider VY was because they had tons long term dough into other relatively young QBs and were not considering ANY quarterbacks. Had they cut their losses on David Carr the year before or had the Chargers resigned Brees VY would be in another town.
Uh ... Hillboy, one question how do you like your crow? Steamed, broiled or fried because, much to your chagrin last nights game is evidence that Mario is indeed SUPERMARIO and your small improvement retort is definitely melodramatic. Mario has had now 9.5 sacks in his last 5 games! You want single sack games but dominated with both pressures on QB's and planting Reggie Bush in the backfield, we got that! You want him sacking VY, we got that! You want multiple multi-sack games consecutive? Got that too! And finally, you want a player to dominate in a prime time setting, all the pressure, all the hype, all the excuses and all he does is wreak complete havoc either directly or indirectly in the opposition's backfield WE GOT THAT TOO! Mario Williams, second year in the NFL, now SECOND in the AFC in sacks! Hello? What more do you want? Sorry dude but your assessment falls WAY short in objectivity on this subject. Mario just punched his ticket to Honolulu. He deserves ALL the praise and ALL the accolodes! He also deserves to get one of those national endorsements for say Chick-fil-A or Quizno's because his star is a RISING! Aloha Texan naysayers!!! Mario says "EAT IT B!TCHES!!!" LOL!
I'm going to make a quick guess as to how HillBoy will respond to all this: "Pfft. 3.5 sacks is nothing. That's only 3.5 plays for the whole game. How many defensive plays are there in a game? Like 20-30 maybe? So the guy was really only trying on like 12% of all the plays. That's not good. Everyone said out of college that he took plays off. Clearly this game is proof of that. I also saw him get a drink of gatorade. That's weak. Sure the offense was on the field, but he should have been running laps. Also, I don't care if he goes to the Probowl. I feel that the Probowl is a meaningless game, and therefore anyone who goes is stripped of all accomplishment or praise with perpetuity throughout the universe. Also, everyone keeps wanting to talk about this game where he got 3.5 sacks as meaning he has improved and is a good DE. I mean, when are you guys going to stop bringing up Vince Young in these discussions. Why does Vince Young have to be downgraded just to praise Mario. Vince Young. I think it is really sad that you can't just praise Mario for his Vince Young own accomplishments instead of Vince Young downgrading another player Vince Young who you have to compare him to Vince Young. And let me just say now that anyone that doesn't agree with these points or that feels my views are in any way incorrect are clearly biased because you think I am wrong. You have your own viewpoint and refuse to listen to anything else because you are a homer. I'm going to pretend to take the high road, but in pointing out that I watch more football than you and am older, I'll be doing exactly what I said I won't do. But if you point that out, you're biased and probably a communist. Vince Young"
Not sure if you're being sarcastic or not, but he's already setting us up for this one. Somewhere in this mammoth thread, he said something like "don't go punching his ticket to Honolulu just yet!!". Now, he "doesn't care" about the Pro Bowl. I wonder if he felt the same way last year when VY made the Pro Bowl. Funny how he doesn't like us comparing Mario to Vince THIS YEAR.... when that's all he wanted to do LAST YEAR.
I'll grant you that (and I did), but it doesn't mean folks are clamoring for Mario to somehow justify his draft position. It just mean folks are aiming vitriol at VYOFs. Completely agree. One poster I believe on the previous page said all three still have a chance to be good. I agree. No, I'm looking for you to tell me something about his play other than droning out sack numbers. And then when he finally gets sacks, pathetically dismissing them. I'm sure you *have* seen more football than I. If your opinion is so valid, please do explain it with something more than "well he finally made a few plays," because several of us, time and time again, have detailed for you the difference Mario has been making, even earlier in the year when he didn't have the sack numbers, and your responses, at least to me, have been rather hollow. You probably *do* know more about DE play than I--so show me. Because they're there for more than getting sacks. Yes. Yes, you do. He has been. All year long, he has been. When he wasn't making sacks, he was still making plays. Now he has the sacks also. If he plays next year the way he has this year and we're still having this discussion, something will indeed be very wrong--but it will not be with Mario or the Texans. I have to say this: a lot of poo has been flung your way the last couple of pages. Please do not associate my posts with the poo. I disagree vehemently with your position on Mario's play, but I don't want to engage in this other stuff.
Juuuzus! Can't we just say they all have potential to be good, if not great. Mario is having a crazy year, Vince having an OK year after a phenomenal first year and Bush is alright but I believe he still has potential. This non-stop BS needs to stop flying around. Please don't let this forum turn into the GARM, where we see the same argument over and over, because we have for the past 2 years. If we're going to keep arguing about this, then keep it classy. We don't have to downplay one guy to build up the other.
What I dont understany about VYOF's is that when you bring up VY's play this season, they reply with "Well, he is still young. Just give him some time to develop." But when Mario's stellar play this season is mentioned, they are quick to state "Well, lets see if he goes back to sucking next year..." I understand that QB IS a tougher position to learn than a DE, but give Mario the respect he has EARNED this season. Much like most of us did to VY last season...
Puh-leeze. VYOF didn't want to do that last year. We constantly heard this **** day in and day out for months and months and month. VYOF is getting exactly what they dished out and what they deserve. The only thing is, we (Texan fans) aren't creating a thread in every ****ing forum, every ****ing day, about every ****ing article, and every ****ing play. What is going on today is a drop in the bucket compared to the bull**** that ensued last year. You know what's funny, we haven't had a tinman siting in one of these threads in a long, long time.
I'm with you about taking sh** for the past 2 years, but I think the actions of the Texans will speak louder than the VY fans Mario bashing. Believe me, I'm enjoying this very much, but just wanted everyone all around to stay classy with this. I do feel this will be never-ending cycle, since all the players will have up and down games, and everyone will talk their mess after a good / bad game. Chalk it up to naive, wishful thinking on my part. Speaking of Mario, I was at the game last year when he got his first sack as an NFL player and he showed some raw emotion that made me think, wow, as soon as he gets that kind of emotion and intensity in all the games he plays, he's going to be sick. It's nice to see a one of your guys that has been taking sh** from every single media source since the beginning have his day in the sun. Go Texans. Go Mario.
