How awesome would it be for the Texans to call a press conference announcing Mario's trip to the Pro Bowl and it contain only these words: "To all of you sportswriters, fans and so-called experts. ****. You." They certainly deserve to do that, IMO, regardless of how terrible a decision it was to extend Carr.
Uhhh...he's 2nd in the AFC in sacks among DE. I dont get why its so hard to grasp that the guy might actually be a pro bowler this year...he has some very good numbers.
That is because many folks like yourself don't give the Titans full credit for how bad they were for nearly a 3 year period before VY was the starter. The Titans are not a very good team, but it is hardly because of anything VY is doing. He isn't playing great by any stretch, but he isn't making any more mistakes or bad throws than the average QB nor is their an once of buyers remorse from Tenn--he simmply has very little space to start with plus guys who don't react or catch well to the ball in the air. The one critique I would have from watching him and the Titans quite a bit is Vince Young should be running and scrambling a lot more than he is--either by design (which Tenn does not seem to do) or improve. In two of their last 3 games (both loses) he has rushed TWO times. That is not an effective use for him. Either he is hurt or they are overcoaching him to stay in the pocket, because him scrambling downfield and getting him on the move to throw is the best big play weapon their offense has. As for MW, I think he should and will make the Pro Bowl--good for him and the Texans.
I agree with everything. But I have to say, san diego probably prevented him from scrambling more than himself or coaching.
His coaches have said on several occasions this year that he needs to run more. Between that and his saying many times "I want to show people I'm a QB, not a running QB", I think it's his choice not to run. In the long-term, it might be beneficial in that it speeds the learning curve. But in the short-term, he's going to take a step backward if he tries to play without the running - it's the dual-threat that makes him potentially a great player. Without the running, he's just another QB. And when he forces himself to throw against his natural instincts, he's probably a below average QB. I haven't seen his last few games, but earlier this season he was throwing a lot of his INTs when he had wide open running space and just chunked the ball deep instead.
They sucked for 2 years prior to VY getting there. They went 12-4 in 2003 and won a playoff game. What I don't understand is how you can say that they aren't a good team but that it isn't because of anything that VY is doing. Then in the next sentence you say he isn't playing great. What I also don't understand is that when MW was struggling last year and not lighting the nfl on fire, we (Texans fans) heard over and over how the Texans didn't draft someone with the first pick to be average. Anything less than 10 sacks IS A BUST. Now that Jesus isn't walking on water into the end zone, has two years of a 66 QB rating, and has thrown 10 more interceptions than TD's we hear that he is still developing. He's on target to be a decent QB. People should be patient with a 2nd year QB. And in your own words, he doesn't screw up any more than the average QB. I would figure that you don't draft someone number 3 in the entire draft to only be average. Sorry, after 2 years of catching the massive amounts of **** that we did, I enjoy with much vigor and gusto on calling this out. All of you VOF deserve every bit of crap that we can dish out. Vincey-poo is much closer to being the Jesus that mows my lawn than the one that healed the blind.
well both are pretty much facts, they weren't a good team till he started, then they were, now he isn't playing well, and they aren't that good. because qbs are judged differently, neither leinart, cutler, or vince even started right away. mario and all defensive players do. surely you understand that you totally screwed that up, if you're going to call out supposedly vyof, at least don't typo it
While I'm not sure he's Pro Bowl material quite this year, I can't disagree more with your assessment of Williams. He's even improved, or at least the numbers most casual fans look at have improved, and yet you still run this take out here? Are "folks in Houston... so anxious for him to finally justify his being the no. 1 pick," or are you anxious for him to justify it? Because really, you and one other guy are the only two people I can remember saying that. As such, it seems the only one anxious over that issue is you.
His QB rating last year is almost identical to last year. He threw 12 TD's to 13 INT's. It isn't like he was kicking ass last year. They still won inspite of Vince. What the **** ever. We heard all preseason last year, all season, all post season, all preseason this year, and about half the year this year how we ****ed up. Mario had a decent first year and played hurt the majority of the season. Why is Vince worse this year? Like I said, he wasn't tearing it up last year. We have all seen what a farce the whole, "Vince is a born leader, he has intangibles that don't show up in the stat line" is. Wow, you got me there. Seriously, I'm really embarrassed.
we've seen, how he needs to improve. they are still a playoff contending team, and wasn't before, and they did lose pac man.
We lost more players than any team in the entire NFL to injuries and are only a game behind. Boo hoo.
Seriously--the Titans are to be commended on their defensive play after having lost Pacman's contribution on the field. Outstanding.
Weird, given that they had the worst defense in the NFL last year, and taking out Vince's rushing yardage, were in bottom 1/3rd in rushing in the NFL. If it wasn't their passing, rushing, or their defense that was winning, what was it? Conveniently, you ignore the 500+ yards rushing, 7TDs, 6.7 ypc average last year that made Vince successful. You also ignore his penchant last year for making huge game-winning plays at the ends of games. As far as winning inspite of Vince, apparently everyone associated with football disagreed. His teammates and coaches credited him - both on the field and for changing the culture of the team. The NFL selected him to the pro-bowl. The media selected him as rookie of the year. etc. etc. Basically everyone following football, inside and out (except angry Houston fans, it seems) could see the impact he had. Similarly, the reason he's not as good this year has nothing to do with QB rating and TD/INT ratio and the like. Its that all those stats you ignored on the ground and that penchant for making big game-winning plays that are missing this year.
That's certainly possible, though yet to be seen. As has been pointed out, in many cases, Vince is choosing not to run when he has clear opportunities. Whether this is due to his misreading plays, trying to become a better passer, a skitishness due to injuries, or something else remains to be seen. But the idea is right - Vince likely won't be anything special if he isn't able to utilize his uniqueness in the long-run. That was known from day #1 - he's wasn't drafted to be a prototypical pocket-passing QB. If he's forced to be, he likely is average at best.
