Were the Titans supposed to be this good this season? The point is they have a winning record and are in playoff contention (even after going on a huge losing streak). They went .500 last year. They have been winning with VY under center.
They also won with Methuselah under center. And, with VY under center but their best DB out, they lost. What was that guy's name? He just wins.
Can’t argue that the titans have owned us the last 2 years (even though we could’ve gotten a win at home this year if not for that Kerry Collins drive) but I still think it’s kind of dubious to say that a 7-6 team is a winning team while a 6-7 team is a losing team. In the last 2 years, the titans have exactly 3 more wins than the Texans. Not a huge difference. And oddly enough, if you take away the head-to-head games, the Texans actually have a better record than the titans. At any rate, do the titans have a bbs? Not sure if the technology has reached Tennessee yet, but surely they do, right? Does anyone have a link? It would be interesting to get their perspective on this whole VY topic.
FYI, they really only beat the texans once this season with Vince and are 6-6 with him as their starter this year. Vince is struggling but is a good QB who still has the potential to be great. To say he is a bust is inaccurate. To say he is struggling is accurate. The bottom line is that Mario is having the best season of the three (IMHO) and I guess people are piling on Vince b/c having to read about him being the best thing ever for over a year grates on you... I think we made the right call with Mario at this point, but Vince would have been a great pick as well.
I would gladly take VY (in his 2nd year), over all of these starting QBs': Trent Edwards (Bills) John Beck (Dolphins) Kellenn Clemens (Jets) Kyle Boller (Ravens) Matt Schaub (Texans) Chiefs QB (pick one) Raiders QB (pick one) Eli Manning (Giants) Jason Campbell (Redskins) Bears QB (pick one) Vikings QB (pick one) Jon Kitna Falcons QB (pick one) Panthers QB (pick one) Cardinals QB (pick one) 49ers QB (pick one) Of all the QB's that I would consider taking over VY, the only one in his 2nd year is Cutler. Again, most 2nd year QB's are not even relied on to be starters. VY is ahead of the curve.
dating back to the last QB he coached in denver (plummer) and given the QBs he's passed up since taking over in houston (young, leinart, cutler, quinn, the slew of 2nd rounders), there's enough evidence to suggest kubiak simply prefer working on QBs with NFL experience and/or detests working with rookies. so carr or no carr, it's highly reasonable to assume kubiak was going to pass on young, regardless.
When VY is 3rd to last in passer rating, he has tangibles that do not show up. When MW didn't have many sacks last year, he was a piece of **** because he was drafted to get to the quarterback.
Maybe I should clarify my statement (not trying to be a smart ass). Over .500 = winning. Under .500 = losing. We were both losing teams at the time of that draft. The Titans have not been a losing team since VY took the reigns. I think they are satisfied with their selection. I think the Texans may be as well, depending on how they quantify all they had to give up for mishandling the Carr situation. I think it's huge when the spread is the games they have won against us and we play in the same division, but that's just my personal opinion. The team is in the playoff hunt this season with two wins against the Titans.
Pointing to VY's completion percentage is silly...specially when you point to his 6 yards per attempt average. That is very David Carresque...except Carr throws less INTs. Saying VY is an average QB in the league would be very generous. I would like to think that he will continually improve, but honestly, he hasnt done anything that would make me be too confident in that. He has a long ways to go. Mario is 2nd among DE in the AFC in sacks. However, I'd say Mario's strong suit is his run defense. Basically, the guy is establishing himself as a top notch defensive lineman. The funny thing is that he still has so much potential for growth. The guy is a beast at 22. I dont regret the decision on passing up on VY...and definitely not Bush. I think Mario was a solid pick and they really should never get any more crap about that selection.
That could be true but doesn't mean it's not a mistake. I even think Cutler would be a better option than the Carr debacle and giving up extra picks to get Matt.... Edit: But didn't someone from the team say they weren't looking at QB's because they had one? I don't think you can eliminate Carr from the equation. They chose to ride with him (extension) and blew it big time....
Werd. And, the talking-out-of-both-sides-of-the-mouth exists on the other side of the argument, as well. I've said Mario's stats aren't as important as what you see when you watch him play (the stat sheet will never reflect, for just one example, Mario chasing that QB into Amobi Okoye). Yet I'm quick to point out VY's sub-par stats. The truth is, the book isn't yet written on *any* of these guys. All we really have are biased projections based upon our uninformed opinions.
carr was a risk worth taking; resurrecting his career would have been the best-case scenario for all involved.
except that he sucked. and still does. other than that, it was awesome to extend him. but i can't believe you're still talking about him...get over it, man.
Based on his level of sucktitude up until that point, not really. Based on 3 potential franchise QB's being available in that draft, not really. That was the perfect chance for the team to fold and they waited a year too late.
sucking, in the present, is irrelevant. at the time, the texans made the right decision. the best course of action was to hope kubiak would cure whatever ailed carr and that they could then focus on other areas. imagine carr playing at a schaub/rosenfels level AND adding two demeco ryans-types to the roster. max, when i start a thread about david carr, feel free to whip this out. until then, i'm merely responding to a discussion involving the houston texans.
That is subjective. Personally, I would prefer to have Mario and Schaub as opposed to Vince. Mistake keeping DC? Sure. But I think we have a good qb now (if he can stay healthy) and we have a potentially great DE who is playing very well with a tremendous upside
The Texans would be one game up on the Titans if not for an offensive explosion in Houston where the Titans scored 38 points. Without that game, the Texans are the better team. Care to remind us who was under center for the Titans?
